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Hesketh Fletcher Gym Team of Atherton, Greater Manchester.
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Comments by Jamie on 13th November 2018  

Reading John's post I agree that making boys strip to the waist for PE is beneficial in the long term. It's something I didn't experience at school until the age of 14 but now I think it's a pity I didn't have to do it earlier. The reason was that my PE teacher for the first two years in senior school took a laissez-faire approach towards gym kit; he wasn't too bothered if boys wore the wrong colour top or shorts and even allowed non-regulation sweatshirts to be worn over our PE tops! Our next PE teacher was somewhat different, more of an old school disciplinarian who didn't put up with boys being late or misbehaving. And never mind sweatshirts, he made it clear immediately that we'd be doing each lesson bare chested with no exceptions. It was a real shock at first and I certainly wasn't the only boy who initially felt very self conscious. Yet I got used to it, as we all did - and I think it made a big difference that it was the same rule for everyone. Being stripped to the waist probably encouraged me to work harder in PE as I wanted my body to look good and ultimately I grew more confident. But maybe that would have happened sooner if I'd had that teacher at 12 instead of 14!

Comments by Andrea on 4th November 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Fiona,
I think the crop-top style running kits started to be adopted by female athletes in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

I've not come across any schools with that style of PE kit, but perhaps that's not surprising given that PE kit has to be worn by girls of all shapes and sizes, not just the slim athletics ones. I have come across a few schools which recommend that girls wear sports bras for PE. but that is in addition to their polo shirt or similar.

With regard to professional athletes, does anyone know what benefit the 'sleeve gloves' (covering the arms, but not connected to the vest) are supposed to give? Also why some wear their sunglasses even on cloudy days are at indoor events?

Comments by Fiona on 2nd November 2018  

Watching some athletics on TV recently, my partner and I tried to remember when it became normal for female athletes to wear just sports bras or crop tops instead of full length vests, and then started wondering why the men don't go topless, just like they used to do in PE. We placed the adoption of bare midriff running kit around the mid 1980s, probably about the time when topless PE for boys started to go out of fashion. Does anyone know of a girl's school where bare midriff PE kit was/is the norm.

Comments by John on 27th October 2018  

Chris C,
Great to hear that you enjoyed PE at school too. You were also lucky to have sensible PE teachers, skins vs skins was much fairer treating all lads the same. Shy lads became more confident being made to strip to the waist, the policy was good for boys.

Comments by Chris C on 25th October 2018  

John, We changed into vests,shorts and trainers for our first PE/Games lesson and told to line up out on the field. A couple of minutes with one lad singled out to strip in front of the group, we all followed and a line of vests lay on the grass. I struggled being stripped off outdoors in the winter until I turned 11 then I got used to it but was fine stripped down in the gym where it became normal for us to start to sweat about halfway through. I remember girls enjoying the sight of 30 lads stripped off and showing sweating the gym. Our scanty kit caught the girls attention and they relished seeing us stripped off especially outside in the winter months. I made the X country and basketball teams at school and had regular fitness competitions in the winter with some close-ish schools.Each years team was made up of 5 lads and comprised of a X country run followed by a hard workout in the gym. As the schools had different coloured shorts there was never a problem picking out a sweat soaked team member. Our PE teachers made sure skins Vs skins teams were the norm for all lads regardless of ability,physique or age. Everyone was encouraged to do their best, being stripped to the waist gave a bit more of an incentive to prove yourself especially with girls watching!

Comments by John on 5th September 2018  

Rob, I had the same PE dress code as you at Senior School but we were also stripped to the waist for PE for the last two years at Junior School.I was so glad that I didnít have to wear a top, we got so hot and sweaty doing PE it would have been very unpleasant. Like you we all enjoyed stripping off and having communal showers at the end of PE lessons.

Comments by Rob on 4th September 2018  

I agree that I couldn't imagine girls being made to do PE topless at secondary school anywhere even in the sixties.Nicola,even though you say that it wasn't physically uncomfortable for you, it must have been embarrassing for all of you. Making young women'prance around' in the gym for 90 minutes of vigorous exercise like that is certainly 'utterly ridiculous, and bordering on abuse'. When I was at primary school in the early fifties we used to do what passed as exercises in the school hall wearing our normal school clothes. However, when I went on to a boys grammar school in 1955 I discovered we had to wear just PE shorts with nothing underneath and plimsolls.This applied both in the gym and outside including cross country runs, but as boys,we found it really enjoyable being stripped off and made to exercise and sweat profusely, as all boys naturally need to do, before going back to the changing rooms and taking our shorts and plimsolls off and getting in the open communal showers together.

Comments by Nicola on 3rd September 2018  

Fiona, "prancing around" was how it felt sometimes, especially when we did dance in our PE lessons! For me personally, I was never too physically uncomfortable having to do PE with no top on, but I think a few of my class probably were. I remember looking out the corner of my eye when we were first told to undress, inquisitive about exactly what lay beneath the bras that some of the girls were wearing! Some of those girls were slow to remove their bras, but of course that was pretty futile as we'd all soon be gong into the gym for 90 minutes of vigorous exercise!

Comments by Charles on 3rd September 2018  

Hi Nicola and Andrea
I was at infant, middle and sec in the 60s and 70s
Before Sec PE was very informal with no set timetabling for it. Boys did PE in just their pants and girls their vest and pants. I suspect we did our PE sessions in underwear because they were not timetabled. Boys and girls got undressed together. We did it without worrying about our body image. We just did it
At sec, PE(actually we called in "games")was strictly segregated. When girls had it in the gym boys did it outside and vice versa.
We had games at least twice a week. For indoors boys wore just shorts(no pants allowed) and girls wore shirt and shorts.
Outdoors, in winter we played football and did cross country runs. In summer term we did field events and tennis. I don't know what the girls did outdoors because we were always indoors
Most of the sec pe teachers were tyrants. Before sec our class teachers took PE.
We went from very informal PE at infant and middle to very formal at sec.

Comments by JamieMac on 25th August 2018  

Andrea, I couldn't imagine girls being made to strip off anywhere even back then. We stripped for 3 double and 2 single PE lessons a week. We all stripped off in the gym but outdoors teams were hand picked by teachers skins + vests. In our class myself and 4 others were labeled sporty. This merely meant we'd strip off for every lesson.

Comments by Andrea on 24th August 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Hi Fiona,
Luckily we had proper PE kit at primary school too, but we boy boys and girls had to change in the same classroom, stripping down to vest and pants before putting on our PE kit. This was in the late 1960s and the majority of us did wear vests.

I agree with your comments about having to do PE topless at secondary school. I would have found it embarrassing and uncomfortable by the end of my first year and some of my classmates would have found it so right from the start!

Comments by Fiona on 24th August 2018  

Hi Nicola and Andrea,

Thankfully, I never had to undergo the indignity of prancing around in my pants and vest or, even worse, in just my pants! Right from primary school we had "proper" PE kit, which was just as well, as I had stopped wearing vests completely before I started school. Mum was very practical in that respect; she never wore vests herself, and saw no reason why I needed to, unless I chose to do so, which I didn't! So you and all others who were made to wear vests as children have my sympathy, As for girls doing PE topless in secondary school . . . That's utterly ridiculous, and bordering on abuse.

Comments by Nicola on 23rd August 2018  

hi Andrea

At primary school we all undressed and dressed together in our classrooms. There werenít any changing rooms.

At secondary school no one was allowed to wear a top in the first year. Quite a few girls wore bras but our PE teacher made them take them off, just like us girls in vests.

Comments by Andrea on 22nd August 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Hi Nicola,

If any of your classmates had graduated to bras rather than vests during that first year, were they allowed to keep them on?

Also when you were at primary school did the boys and girls change for PE in the same classroom? When I was at primary (late 1960s until July 1971) we always did, but when my son was at primary they started to change separately from year 5.

Like you I my mum insisted I wore a vest from when we started back at school in September until about May. New vests and pants were always on the list when she took me 'back to school shopping' towards the end of the summer holidays each year. This carried on until the summer before my second year at secondary school, when she decided it was time for me to start wearing a bra on a regular basis rather than a vest.

Comments by Nicola on 21st August 2018  

Hi Andrea and Fiona

This was at secondary school. At primary we did PE with our class so boys and girls together. I started secondary school in September 1990.

Yes, Iím old enough to be someone who used to be expected to wear a vest! Youíre right about only not wearing one in summer, the rest of the year my mum was strict about it! I donít know how cold she thought we were going to get.

Comments by Andrea on 15th August 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Nicola,

Do you mean at Primary school or secondary?

Comments by Fiona on 15th August 2018  

Nicola, were you of the age, and was it the era, when girls were expected to wear vests as part of their everyday underwear, except possibly in the height of summer, or are you part of the liberated generation who has never been made to wear vests, even in the depths of winter, and whose last experience of vests was of the poppered babies' garment.

Comments by Nicola on 14th August 2018  

When I was at school we were split up from the boys for PE, which was good in some ways. But it meant that our gym mistress decided that we didn't need PE kit and should do all our gymnastics lessons in our underwear. She was really strict and for the first year she only let us wear our pants, we all had to go topless as well as in our bare feet. From the second year on we could wear a vest but even then she would sometimes decide it was "too hot" and order us to take them off.

Comments by Bob on 26th July 2018  

Frank, I presume you mean that you performed these star jumps etc. naked, as your punishment. it must have been humiliating, as you say. Were you being observed by others whilst doing these vigorous nude excecises?

Comments by John on 24th July 2018  

Rob,
I hated not being able to have a shower after PE. I donít just think that we didnít get showers because of the timetable either, Iím sure that the school wanted to save money on hot water. Still I enjoyed PE and was glad that I didnít have to wear a shirt, I agree with the school that shirts werenít necessary.

Comments by Frank on 23rd July 2018  

Responding to Bob's comments on nude P.E.lesson,It was more of a humiliating punishment for me and three of my classmates when we were thirteen after school. This was 1973 I attended an independent school for boys,it was a way of bringing us down to size as we had been disruptive during the morning lesson.Press ups and star jumps running on the spot etc.for thirty minutes.Needless to say it had a subduing effect on us for quite some time.

Comments by Rob on 23rd July 2018  

John, I was surprised to read that you weren't made to take showers after PE, and especially after you got a new Head of Boys PE who banned you from wearing anything under your shorts.At least you had a complete change of clothing but it was a pity that he wasn't able to do anything about the lack of time you had to enable you to take a shower.I hope at least you had time for a good rub down with a towel before you got dressed and went on to your next classroom lesson. I wouldn't have liked that because we used to have to sit on the floor between activities in lines with our legs out straight and our arms supporting our bodies while the teacher instructed us what we had to do next. I remember the sweat trickling down my whole body especially my neck and chest and from my armpits down my sides. When we were running around it felt really great and I was glad that I wasn't wearing anything more than a pair of gym shorts and plimsolls and looked forward to the showers afterwards. Like you, sometimes we we'd be sent on a cross country run instead of gym stripped to the waist wearing just shorts, but still wearing our plimsolls. At least we could enjoy the fresh air on our bodies and we always got back in time for a shower!

Comments by Andrea on 23rd July 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

As John says, different teachers had different degrees of strictness. The one I had in my first year at Secondary wasn't too bad, although the regime of compulsory showers still took some getting use to.

The one I had in my second year was definitely 'old school' and much scarier. She would punish us if our pumps weren't gleaming white or if our polo shirts looked like they hadn't been washed and ironed recently.
Unlike John's teacher who forbade underwear, she told several of my classmates that it was time they were wearing a brassiere for PE (she always used the old fashioned full name rather than jus bra).

Comments by John on 22nd July 2018  

Ian, Sadly we didnít have PE tests or exams, it would have been a good idea. At least it would have been possible to find out where you were going wrong and extra training would at least have given you the chance to improve. At my school you didnít get much feedback from sports teachers throughout the year, my parents used to get the end of year written report Ďyour son could try harderí. I would have loved to have made my parents proud for once by receiving a good PE report.

Your school had the right idea. A friend of mine attended a different senior school and had to attend school on Saturday mornings to play sports. I think that this was a great idea because there wasnít enough time devoted to PE and sports during the week.

Comments by Ian on 21st July 2018  

Did anyone have PE tests and exams?
Our head of PE introduced these near the end of each term to check our progress. If you did not come up to scratch, an appropriate number of remedial PT sessions were awarded. (PT = Punishment Training = detention).

Comments by John on 21st July 2018  

Rob,
At Primary school from the age of nine a stripped to the waist rule became compulsory for boys indoor PE and there were no showers afterwards because the school didnít have any. It was a bit of a shock at first having to go barechested but we all got used to it quickly and thought nothing of it then.

At Senior School the PE kit rule for indoor PE was white shorts and pumps only but we were allowed to keep our underpants on. We were not made to shower afterwards, only because the timetable didnít allow enough time for it. At the start of the 2nd year at senior school we got a new Head of Boys PE and he appeared as soon as we entered the changing room and instructed us to strip off completely and we were then told that the only items of clothing that we would ever be permitted to wear from that day forward weíre white shorts and pumps. He told us that we were not allowed to wear anything underneath our shorts and that any lad who was caught disobeying this rule would be dealt with severely.

This was the rule for indoor PE, there were still no showers afterwards because of the lack of time provided in the timetable. Sometimes weíd be sent on a cross country run instead of gym and this was done stripped to the waist wearing just shorts, but we could wear trainers for running. Communal showers were compulsory after football.

Comments by Bob on 20th July 2018  

I was caught wearing underpants in the gym once. To avoid having to strip naked in the changing room I had kept them on. I regreted this later when the PE teacher called us together and made us stand in a tight circle facing inwards. We were told to pull down our shorts to our knees, and then to have a good look round at everyone else's naked private parts. He said this was necessary because there was too much shyness about seeing each other stripped, he said. I refused initially, but had to give in eventually. My pants were gleefully pointed out to the teacher by my classmates, and I received several strokes of the slipper later on my bare backside. I never wore anything under my shorts again.

Comments by Rob on 20th July 2018  

John, so did you all keep your pants on under your PE shorts for the first year and did you have to shower afterwards? At my small junior school we didn't do PE as such mainly because there wasn't a gym. We only had a small hall where we went weekly and did a few stretching exercises without removing any of our ordinary school clothes.Therefore you can imagine how I felt at my all boys grammar school at the start of the first PE lesson having to strip off completely and wear just a pair of PE shorts and plimsolls? Fortunately I had been used to playing barechested outside with the other boys at home in our road, so I didn't have a problem in PE. The shock only came at the end of the first lesson when we all had to get our shorts off and go naked in the open communal showers. I certainly hadn't had any previous experience like that, but soon got used to being nude with all the other lads after PE and soccer lessons. That was how it was and we had to get on with it. It did us no harm and made us more confident of ourselves. All lads today should have to strip off like we did and do PE barechested, indoors and outside,including cross country running,followed by showers to wash off the sweat which we were always made to work up.

Comments by Charles on 20th July 2018  

Nick. It was simply because we didn't have our kits. Also we didnt shower afterwards as they were closed at that time and we didn't have towels.

Comments by John on 19th July 2018  

Rob,

My PE experience was the same as yours regarding not being allowed to wear anything underneath our shorts, this didnít happen with our first PE lesson. In the 2nd year at Secondary School we got a new Head of PE and he decided that lads would no longer be permitted to wear anything underneath their shorts. This came as a great shock, some lads had only just got used to being stripped to the waist for PE after coming from Junior Schools where they had been allowed to wear vests.

The new Head of PE came into the changing room as soon as we arrived for the lesson, like you we were told to strip off completely and were then only permitted to wear our white PE shorts and pumps. and nothing else. No one ever dared to try and defy him.

Comments by NickK on 18th July 2018  

Charles. What was the reason for PE detention in underpants? Was it because some boys might not have PE kit with them on detention day or was it meant to be embarrassing? How many boys were usually in the detention? And was it for certain ages? Thanks for answering the questions.

Comments by Rob on 18th July 2018  

William, Same as you,when we arrived for our first PE lesson we were told to take everything off including pants and socks and to wear just shorts with nothing underneath and plimsolls.We never wore anything under shorts for all sports and it certainly felt very cold in the winter at times when we played soccer but we weren't allowed to wear
anything else either under or over our shorts.

Comments by Charles on 18th July 2018  

I dont remember us having underpants checks in PE.
The teacher told us straight away in our first lesson at secondary school that he would slipper us on our bare behinds if he caught anyone in underpants
That was a sufficient deterrent.

Comments by William on 17th July 2018  

Andy, We never wore pants under shorts - not for gym indoors, nor for athletics, cross-country running, rugby or hockey outdoors. In very cold weather we were allowed to wear two pairs of shorts.

After we were told "no pants" at our first gym lesson, I don't think wearing pants under shorts ever occurred to us, and in the '60s I never saw jock straps at school either.

Comments by Rob on 17th July 2018  

We used to have random underpants checks in the late 50s when at the beginning of the PE lesson our instructor would line us all up and we had to pull one side of the top of out shorts out and down. I don't recall anyone found wearing pants, although once we had a student teacher take our class for PE.who caught a boy during the lesson. He told us all to stand in a circle around this chap and made him take off his shorts, pants and plimsolls and gave him six strokes across his backside with one of his plimsolls, then sent him to stand under a cold shower for the rest of the lesson.

I also recall once when I was about 15 years old our school was undergoing a periodic visit by a team of government inspectors. Our form had got changed for PE as usual into shorts and plimsolls and we all came into the gym and there was an inspector with our instructor. During the lesson we were doing various exercises and then we had to do one which we did regularly and which you are probably familiar with. We had to lie on our backs on the floor with our arms outstretched and lift our legs up 45 degrees and when instructed, open them apart and then together several times. Then we had to lower our legs to six inches of the ground and repeat the exercise several times before repeating it all over again. It was certainly good for the stomach muscles, but more to the point, allowed our instructor to see if anyone was wearing anything under their short shorts! Nothing was said afterwards, but was our teacher proving this to the inspector? After the lesson our instructor and the inspector came into the changing room and watched us as we showered naked in the open communal showers. Again, nothing was said by our teacher; we weren't accustomed to being made exhibits, but no-one said they were embarrassed and we were all confident of ourselves in such a situation. Presumably the inspector was also pleased with what he saw and able to report that we were wearing the correct kit for PE lessons and in the showers afterwards.

Comments by Palmer on 17th July 2018  

Bob Your accounts checking seem drastic. Certainly this would not happen today. I remember the translucent shorts. The worst thing was if we had been playing football and it was raining the white shorts became see through. You say any offender had to stand through a lecture before knowing their punishment. What was the normal punishment?

Comments by Andy on 17th July 2018  

Re the no underpants rule - a lot of contributions mention lessons, was the rule just applied for lessons or was it also applied for school teams, gym displays and sports days etc.

Comments by Charles on 17th July 2018  

Palmer. Yes they were briefs in those days. It always felt embarrassing to have to do the PE detention in just underpants.
And the double whammy was getting disciplined at home afterwards. Mum always said i had disrespected the family name and "what will people think?"
The walk home was never pleasant as I knew that As soon as i got home that shorts would be down and I would be getting tanned.

Comments by Ian on 16th July 2018  ian2468@yahoo.com 

I see from the recent posts that detentions and punishments were an important part of most boys PE experiences in the 50s and 60s. But these contributed to the regime that made us fit and I think contributed to increasing longevity.
I know it was not pleasant for us at the time. I never liked being punished at school, especially the blet, but I think we owe a debt of gratitude to our PE teachers for giving up their time to do it.

Comments by Palmer on 16th July 2018  

Charles re the pe in underpants, I suppose in those days the style of underwear was briefs, which would add to the punishment. whereas today(if such a punishment was allowed) the lads underwear would look like shorts and not so embarrassing.

As you say then there was the additional punishment when you got home, because you had had a detention

Comments by Bob on 16th July 2018  

In reply to Palmer's question about enforcing the no pants rule - Individuals were sometimes stopped by the teacher, who would pull out the elastic waistband of their PE shorts and look down the front. Alternatively the whole class would line up before the lesson and be made to pull their shorts down. It was sometimes possible to get away with wearing underpants if you could hide them as you pulled the shorts down. (Of course in bright light, pants would show through translucent PE shorts anyway). Offenders would have to strip naked on the spot in front of everyone, and wait for the teacher to lecture the class on correct PE kit before being told their punishment and allowed to put their shorts back on.

Comments by Charles on 15th July 2018  

We had punishment PE detentions at Secondary school. Boys did it just their underpants. It was an hours intensive circuit training in the gym.
What made it worse was the thought that Mum would be waiting for me when i got home late, with the strap or hairbrush!!!

Comments by Palmer on 11th July 2018  

William, in the same way I think we all became used to wearing nothing under our shorts, which were also shorter than the ones in the photo. As you say the only exception was when doing handstands. We had a partner supporting us and as we raised our legs and there was exposure to our partner, however the same thing happened when it was our turn to support our partner. But then we saw everything when we were in the showers.

Comments by John on 11th July 2018  

William,
My PE time at senior school was just as youíve described. I enjoyed PE and donít think that the rules at the time did me any harm at all.

Comments by William on 10th July 2018  

Palmer, Our gym master was present when we stripped for the showers and could easily see if any boy was wearing pants. We would not have dared to break the rule even if we had wanted to. After the first lesson I never gave it a thought, except perhaps when doing handstands. Our shorts were much shorter than those in the photo.

Comments by Palmer on 9th July 2018  

Bob
In the same way for pe and games we wore shorts with nothing underneath. The teacher never inspected us for pants. I remember that once a boy got caught wearing pants because the teacher saw them through his shorts. He was made to go and remove them and then had to remove a plimsoll which was then wacked across his backside.
How was the inspection carried out? These days it would be irrelevant because I do not think a school could impose a no underwear rule.

Comments by Bob on 7th July 2018  

Hi. It was very unusual to do PE naked. That made it all the more humiliating. Normally we were required to wear short cotton or nylon shorts, with nothing on underneath, subject to regular inspection by the teacher of course.

Comments by Ross on 29th June 2018  

Bob, the way I read your message it seems naked PE wasnít unusual and you all complied and participated naked. Are my assumptions right? How often would a fellow student be naked?

I was at school in the nineties and I canít imagine that happening in my day. Although we were often compelled to do PE in our underpants and bare feet.

Comments by Palmer on 27th June 2018  

Re your PE naked experience. Did you tell you r parents and if so what was their reaction? I imagine nowadays the school would be shut immediately and the staff suspended

Comments by John on 27th June 2018  

Hi Dave,
Stripped to the waist for lads PE was a common policy at many schools in the 1980s and well into the 1990s. It was considered dangerous for boys to wear tops because they could get caught in wall bars and other gymnastic equipment.

Also it was considered more hygienic for lads to strip to the waist for PE because many schools had no shower facilities. In the 1970s/80s it was common for many lads to wear a vest underneath their school shirt, and often this would be the same vest that they would wear for PE and then keep on for the rest of the day after working up a sweat doing PE.

I much preferred not having a sweaty vest stuck to my back and appreciated the freedom of movement being shirtless. Iím glad that I had to do PE topless, it was a completely sensible policy and should have continued. Wearing a top for indoor PE is totally unnecessary as well as being unsafe and unhygienic.



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