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Instruction from the expert, Miss Hilary Peet, physical education mistress, who plays netball for Lancashire and who is also a member of the County swimming team.
Source: Lancashire Life Magazine, November 1958

100 user comment(s) below:-

Comments by Mr Dando on 5th November 2019  

It is time to ban PE in just vest and knickers!

http://www.gordonbrock.lewisham.sch.uk/school-uniform/

PE Kit
Children in Years 1-6 require a kit which they can change into for PE.

This kit should be labelled with your child's name and sent to school in a bag which can stay in class all half term.

Reception children have only indoor PE and this is done in knickers and vests.

Autumn / Spring Summer

Indoor shorts & short sleeved t-shirt shorts & short sleeves t-shirt

Outdoor tracksuit & velcro fastening trainers / plimsolls shorts, short sleeved t-shirt and velcro fastening trainers / plimsolls

Please ensure that all items brought into school are labelled so that if they are mislaid we are able to return them via your child's class.

Comments by James on 5th November 2019  

Danny,It was a particularly torrid time with the onset of puberty and we were also closely observed by our classmates showing the different pubertal development.
I do agree that the various stages of puberty is not consistent with a boy's age and I was totally hairless and smooth as a baby even though I was tall for my age.
I also found it difficult wearing short trousers at that age as my legs were exposed for all to see.

Comments by Danny on 5th November 2019  

From Mr.Dando's latest PE kit post

"A swimming costume and towel will be required by Y7"

Does this mean that swimming costumes were not required before Y7?

Are there any PE kits list that specify clearly that boys do not need costumes for swimming lessons?
I do remember seeing something to that effect where a school specified in its curriculum that boys do not wear costumes for swimming, probably from the 60s or 70s.

Comments by Andrea on 5th November 2019  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Danny,

Your observation is correct and the photo ties in with my memories of my classmates during our first year or so at secondary school, with girls growing at different rates, both in height and the effects of puberty.

A few of my classmates had started to develop before we left primary school; some were tall as well, but others remained quite short, but with noticeable breast development.
By contrast, some girls were still flat-chested well into the second year at secondary.

With regard to training bras, I can't comment on the era shown in the picture as I didn't start at secondary school until 1971. Back then what we called training bras were just scaled down versions of what our mothers wore, white with cups, hook and eye fasteners and adjustable shoulder straps.

So they didn't bear any resemblance to the various pull-on style of bras available in multiple colours available to pre-teens nowadays.

I seem to remember my mum saying she didn't start to wear bras until shortly before she left school, so I would say that the trend has been for successive generations to start wearing them at progressively earlier stages of development.

Comments by Chris G on 4th November 2019  

A fw days ago, Danny posted:

"Looking at the main picture with the girls in an assortment of different PE shorts it seems that back in the 50s they did not have the brand type shorts that kids wear today."

Perfectly true. In my early secondary school days, back in the 1950s, the only requirement for PE kit was that we had a white PE shirt/vest and white shorts, with no specification on style, fabric or which shop they were bought from. Brand logo stuff just didn't exist. Until topless PE was introduced, most of us just wore our underwear vests for PE, and I can remember my Mum actually making me a pair of shorts out of some white cotton fabric that she had left over from one of her dress-making projects. We did wonder whether it was perhps a little bit see-through, but the end result was quite acceptable and the workmanship was very good.

Comments by James on 4th November 2019  

Danny,we did have the 'branded'shorts at the secondary school that I attended,but we had to wear shorts that were identical,so we had to wear shorts that were the same color and style.We were not allowed to wear jogging pants or track suits so we used to freeze in the cold weather.
We also wore short trousers for our school uniform,but our sports shorts were very thin and brief so were not very warm.

Comments by Danny on 4th November 2019  

Andrea, about your comment in a previous post that some girls were still flat chested in Secondary school can be confirmed from the above picture.

It was the same with us boys in the first few years at secondary school with different stages of pubertal development and some were still smooth as babies while others were into puberty.
I was one of those who even had hair on my legs and was very conscious and shy about it, especially since we still wore uniform shorts till 14. I also had a small mustache at that age.

Another observation, as one can see from the picture, in both boys and girls height was no indication of pubertal development. The tallest girl in the picture is in fact flat chested and some of the shortest ones have quite developed breasts under their shirt.
It was the same with us boys concerning height and pubertal development. The tallest boy in our class didn't have a single hair on his body. :)

What I am curious about, since you also mention it, is if training bras existed at the time the above picture was taken, late 50s or so, or if it was a later invention.
From what I remember when growing up only normal bras existed and girls were usually not given bras to wear until quite developed.

Comments by Mr Dando on 3rd November 2019  

http://stonydean.bucks.sch.uk/uniform-order-form/

PE Kit:

All pupils require:

black shorts and/or plain black jogging pants,
white t-shirt (plain or with school logo*),
sports socks,
football boots and trainers.
Burgundy Stony Dean sweatshirt*

A swimming costume and towel will be required by Y7 and some older pupils for weekly

All pupils should bring a towel and expect to shower after PE.

Comments by Andrea on 3rd November 2019  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

In reply to Danny, both girls and boys wore white shirts and blue shorts or skirts for PE when I was at primary schools. I never saw anyone have to do it in just underpants, although boys and girls changed in the same classroom.

At secondary we wore navy blue gym knickers and white shirts for indoor PE. The knickers were more uniform that the ones in the photo.

Comments by Danny on 2nd November 2019  

I thought that only boys schools had or mandated nude swimming.
Were there any girls schools that had the same nude rule for swimming?

We did not have a pool at the schools I went to but I had friends who went to private(fee paying) and boarding school where they had to be nude for swimming lessons, some under the supervision of female teachers.
I don't think there are any schools today which mandate nude swimming lessons, or making them swim in underwear as some describe here.
The funny thing is that parents never objected to their boys being made to swim nude at school and was considered as normal.

Comments by Danny on 2nd November 2019  

Looking at the main picture with the girls in an assortment of different PE shorts it seems that back in the 50s they did not have the brand type shorts that kids wear today.
I went to a boys only secondary school in late 60s and we wore white vests and white shorts for PE which were simple cotton held with an elastic band.
I don't know or remember what the girls secondary wore for PE but probably similar as us boys.
In primary we wore the same white vest and white shorts both for girls and boys.
And yes, we all changed together in class.

Some describe that they did PE in primary in just underpants, both girls and boys together. Any here did the same? Did you feel any embarrassment?

Comments by Alison on 25th October 2019  

In primary school, if we forgot our kit we had to do the lesson in underwear and bare feet. This happened to me on a couple of occasions and it was pretty embarrassing as it was a co-ed class and there was no changing room, so we had to undress in the classroom before walking to the gym in view of the rest of the school in just vest and pants. My senior school was girls only. The rules here were strict too and you could rarely get out of PE by forgetting your kit. However, it was not so embarrassing having to do PE in your knickers here, as the regular kit consisted of T-shirt, gym knickers and bare feet, so you did not feel too under-dressed and the rest of the class were only girls. I once forgot my kit for outdoor athletics, however, and had to take part in my underpants, a borrowed T-shirt and bare feet (the running track was grass). Unfortunately, the playing fields were on the opposite side of a public road and so I had to walk there in public in little more than my knickers! Several people outside school saw me and I spent the afternoon sporting a very red face!

Comments by Fiona on 22nd October 2019  

Mr Dando - surely it's only common sense to shower after potentially muddy games such as rugby and football. And it doesn't say BOYS MUST shower, but STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED to shower. Also, it is probably the Academy management rather than the British State that is making the recommendation.

Comments by Mr Dando on 18th October 2019  

The time has come to ban compulsory showers for boys in UK schools where there is no such requirement for girls. An example is shown below.

www.ashmoleacademy.org

oys' PE Kit
Ashmole Rugby Shirt [Navy with sky blue side panels]
Ashmole Royal Blue Polo Shirt
Ashmole Navy Games Shorts
Navy Football Socks
Ashmole PE Navy Zipped Fleece Top [Year 10/11 only]
Training shoes [MUST NOT have black soles]
Football boots
Shin pads

Towel [STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO SHOWER AFTER FOOTBALL AND RUGBY]

Plain navy blue tracksuit bottoms (optional)

Girls' PE Kit
Ashmole Sky Blue Polo Shirt
Ashmole Navy Sweatshirt
Ashmole Navy Games Shorts or Skorts
Navy Football socks
Ashmole PE Navy Zipped Fleece Top [Year 10/11 only]
Training shoes [MUST NOT have black soles]
Shin pads (for Hockey as well as Football)
Plain navy blue tracksuit bottoms (optional)

It is time to end the degrading treatment of males by the British state. Do you agree, Christine.

Comments by Christine on 13th October 2019  

We had problems regarding showering. For a start the girls' changing rooms were designed for a class of girls not the 2 we would get - so they were cramped. The showers were archaic as in shower heads protruding from the wall in a reasonably wide "corridor".
We took the view that we gave the girls the hygiene information, encouraged them to bring at least a flannel and towel so they could wash. I did not feel it was my role whatever to watch the girls going into the shower. Add to that that lesson times were adjusted (not in favour of a practical subject) and showering was really impractical.

As HT SMT would not take the step of banning mobile phones in schools I would also consider it a problem with kids using them in the changing rooms.

We did have an unofficial "brief" in that we would be vigilant re possible non-accidental injury signs on kids, also signs of possible eating disorder so yes it could be said we "watched" kids but in all my years teaching PE I never received an accusation re any possible 'looking at watching kids changing

Comments by Amanda on 13th October 2019  

Seems as though the girl wearing black pumps forgot her white PE pumps so had to wear her indoor school pumps. If this was me in my old school I'd have been told to go and participate in bare feet.

Comments by Sandra on 29th September 2019  

Looks so reminiscent of my old PE kit except that we went barefoot for all PE inside or outside.

As for the recent comments on swimming we wore a navy regulation swimming costume and if you forgot it then it was expected you'd swim in knickers or nude. I chose nude as did the other girls.

Comments by Andrea on 19th September 2019  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Diona,
I think the original post said that they had to swim in underwear IF they forgot their swimsuits, so they would unlikely to have brought spare underwear in those circumstances.

Comments by Katherine on 19th September 2019  

Donna, bringing spare underwear wasn’t really the answer. We only had to swim on our knickers if we forgot our costumes.

Comments by Diona on 18th September 2019  

Katherine, Pierette - surely the answer to the "no knickers for the rest of the day" problem is obvious: take spare knickers/vest/bra (delete as appropriate) to put on after swimming. Or am I missing something obvious?

Comments by Donna Pitt on 12th September 2019  

Dartington Hall school was one of a handful of experimental, co-educational schools founded before the Second World War. Boys who might climb up a drainpipe at the school itself in order to catch a glimpse of a girl having a bath, would show not the slightest interest in the same girl’s nude body (often goose-pimply from the cold) as she made her way into the chilly water.
I can’t now recall what I felt about swimming naked in the first year or two of senior school, when I was 13 and 14; I probably went along with it quite happily. But I do know that, as I grew older, I found it increasingly embarrassing. I didn’t dare admit this to anyone — and hardly to myself — or a very long time. Nude bathing was such an integral part of the school’s enlightened ethos that to question it would have been regarded as deeply regressive and bourgeois — the equivalent of objecting to, say, gender equality today. But truth will out, and we older girls finally, and guiltily, started confessing to each other that we felt extremely self-conscious about being seen without our clothes on. We had no wish to expose our wobbly bits to all and sundry. If only we could wear bathing-suits, we all agreed, we would go swimming much more often. I suspect that most of the boys felt much the same way, though I never talked about this uncomfortable subject to any male.
There was, however, one boy who swam against the tide, so to speak, and always wore swimming trunks. Naturally, we all thought there was something fundamentally wrong either with his body, or with his mind, or both. Looking back on it now, it strikes me that he showed exceptional moral courage, or sang froid — certainly more than we older girls did. None of us had the nerve to bring up the topic at Moot meetings, let alone to propose a motion, which we had drafted, to make bathing-suits acceptable. So we continued to bathe naked, but more and more self-consciously, and less and less frequently. (After Curry’s departure as headmaster in 1957, bathing-suits became optional.)

Comments by Andrea on 3rd September 2019  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Katherine & Pierrette,
I assume that your swimming lessons were girls only and the Instructors were female?

Comments by Katherine on 30th August 2019  

Hi Pierette, thanks for adding your experience of swimming. It sounds similar to my own; we were never told "you'll swim naked" but were told that we would swim in our underwear at most. In the first couple of years we were told "you'll still swim, and you can keep your pants on if you want" and I think quite a few girls did so, before we all realised it meant spending the rest of the day with nothing under our skirts! At that point, we weren't allowed to wear our vests or bras in the pool. Once we were in third year, the options became pants and vest/bra, or swimming naked, and by this point I think we all chose to go through the indignity of swimming naked rather than having nothing under our white blouses or our skirts!

This also reminds me of a time in primary school, when me and a friend had forgotton our swimming kits, so had been made to go in the pool in our pants. They'd been left to dry and we'd put our uniform back on. That afternoon, we had PE in the hall - for which we all normally undressed down to our pants! Not one to let a simple matter like that stop her pupils from using the PE apparatus, our teacher simply ordered us to undress as usual, and then do the lesson wearing absolutely nothing!

Comments by Pierrette on 30th August 2019  

Some people say they took part in swimming lessons in the nude because they forgot their swimsuit. It is easy to doubt that they are being truthful. However, when I was at school the rules were very simple. If you were well enough to attend school, and didn't have a letter from home or your doctor, then you were well enough to take part in swimming. Not having swimwear did NOT get you out of the lesson.

The school was not allowed (as far as I know) to make people go naked so the policy was: "no swimsuit, do the lesson in your underwear". But if you did that, you had no underwear for the rest of the day's lessons and not having a bra under a white blouse all day was more embarrassing than just doing the swimming lesson naked, or at least, topless (just in your knickers).

So if the rules said you had to do swimming in your underwear, but you as an individual opted to do it naked instead, that was ok as far as the school was concerned, and that is the choice that many did make at my school.

Comments by Ade C on 26th July 2019  

Hi. My secondary modern was a smart blue and yellow reversible rugby jersey blue shorts and yellow socks, but used for every out door sport. Indoor white shoes and tee, bare feet unless it was basketball, then plimsolls allowed.

Comments by Katie G on 11th July 2019  

My namesake Katie mentioned in March about wearing gym knickers in 2017, and it was commented that this was a surprise. I left school a little earlier, in 2011, but in year 8 and above we wore gym knickers for indoor PE, which was nearly always gymnastics and dance. In year 7 we had to do PE in just our normal underwear pants!

Comments by James on 5th June 2019  

Rob,it was embarrassing being referred to as'the boy who still wears shorts'and even more derogatory comments were made.
As I grew older I did have discussions with my mother about wearing short trousers,but she didn't like her authority undermined and I didn't want to risk any reprisals from further discussions.At fourteen and older I didn't possess any long trousers,so to argue with my mother about wearing short trousers would have been futile.
As I grew older I found that shorts could be worn for leisure without the terrible stigma about wearing them.

Comments by Rob on 4th June 2019  

James, I can understand how embarrassing it must have been for you being known by everyone in the school as 'the boy who still wears shorts'. Did you try talking to your parents about it, however unsuccessfully? My mum used to tell me to wear shorts at home in the summer because she said it was healthier and didn't want me going in the garden and wearing the knees out of long trousers. She was probably right and it didn't put me off wearing shorts. Did your parents attitude deter you wearing them now for leisure?

Comments by James on 3rd June 2019  

Rob,It was my parents decision to keep me in short trousers until I left school,although I would have preferred to wear long trousers, particularly for school where most boys wore long trousers.I was the only boy in my class wearing short trousers,so I felt embarrassed to be wearing shorts.
I wanted to feel grown up an mature and wearing short trousers inhibit this process.

Comments by Rob on 1st June 2019  

James, So you wore short trousers until you were sixteen. Whose decision was that, the school's, your parents, or your choice? I can only remember one boy who wore them until he left and that was because he preferred them. Although I started wearing long trousers in the winter after I was fourteen my parents (mainly my mum), told me the following summer when I was at home to put my khaki shorts on and when I was in the garden,to take my shirt off to get the sun and fresh air to my body.I enjoyed this; after all I was used to wearing nothing more than gym shorts and plimsolls for PE and I have continued to wear shorts as much as possible in the summertime ever since. What about you, James?

Comments by James on 31st May 2019  

Rob,I also attended a secondary school from 1965 to 1970 and wore short trousers right through till I left.

Comments by Gender discrimination on 7th April 2019  

PHYSICAL EDUCATION KIT

Items to be purchased from school only

GIRLS BOYS
Sky blue polo shirt (collared) Navy blue polo shirt (collared)
School sweatshirt Navy blue reversible sports shirt (long-sleeved)
Sky blue knee-length sports socks Navy blue football socks
Navy blue tracksuit bottoms (Boys do not wear tracksuit bottoms)

Comments by Helen on 14th March 2019  

Goodness, Katie, I am surprised by your comment. I thought that the days of gym knickers were consigned to history! Where was your school?

Comments by Katie on 1st March 2019  

It's nice to see nothing much has changed since 1958! In my last year of school which was 2017 we were still playing netball on the outside courts wearing a PE kit if gym knickers and tee shirts.

Comments by Anne on 31st January 2019  

Stewart, seems you and I went to similar schools we were strictly in bare feet for all PE lessons in or out rain or shine. I even remember cross country in the snow barefoot.

Comments by Stewart on 21st January 2019  

Just following on from a few of these comments. I attended an English Grammar School in the late 1960s and early 70s, and there was a strict no footwear rule for most PE, both indoors and out, including cross country.

Comments by Paul Lewis on 25th November 2018  paulleis037@gmail.com 

I can name at least three of the girls in the picture but not sure if it would be acceptable to do that. I was in the same form as these girls. I seem to remember it was 2B. We did indeed go on cross country runs in winter wearing just shorts and plimsoles (No £200 trainers in those days.) In the gym it was shorts and bare feet. Punishments were delivered with a cane or a plimsole across the backside. However, we were mostly happy kids and there was great camaraderie. There are a few photographs on the internet of the school in the late 50s, not long after it had opened. Mr Dent was the Headmaster and swanned around in a black gown which always seemed to be in tatters through getting snagged on door handles. Happy Days.

Comments by Anne on 5th November 2018  

We just got used to being compelled to participate in sports with nothing on our feet and honestly after the initial shock of mud between your toes you got used to it. Plus much easier to clean afterwards and running barefoot meant we weren’t carrying heavy waterlogged plimsolls on our feet.

Comments by Andrea on 28th October 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

We always wore footwear (plimsolls or hockey boots) for outside PE or games, but often went barefoot in the gym.

Comments by Anne on 24th October 2018  

Andrea, this was in the late 70s and we played in bare feet all year round. We even ran the cross country barefoot.

Comments by Andrea on 23rd October 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Anne,
What decade was that and was it both summer and winter that you had to go barefoot?

Comments by Anne on 21st October 2018  

Nice picture and brings back fond memories of me and my friends playing netball amongst other sports outdoors in navy blue gym knickers and a small white tee shirt. We weren’t allowed though to wear footwear and certainly not white plimsolls as we were compelled to play in our bare feet.

Comments by Andrea on 28th September 2018  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Gym knickers like that were standard when I was at secondary school in the early 1960s. Ours were blue, but I can remember other schools having green and brown.

We were never allowed tracksuit bottoms.

Comments by Rob on 22nd September 2018  

Ted, I'm surprised that although there have been over 17,000 views on this site only 6 comments have been made. I was at a boys secondary school from 1955 to 1961. I wore short trousers until early 1958 and for PE, in common with the majority of schools at that time and for decades after, we were only allowed to wear just PE shorts and plimsolls in the gym and outside including cross country running.All the girls in the photo certainly look to be showing a good bit of leg even if the PE mistress is wearing tracksuit bottoms.

Comments by TED RHODES on 22nd October 2017  ecrgraphics@btconnect.com 

This was female pupils from classes 3a and 3b, a posed photo for a Lancashire Life article on a fabulous school. I was there from 1954 to 1960.

Comments by Mary Dando on 24th May 2017  

It is disgusting that boys are not allowed to cover their legs for sport but girls are.

School uniform is compulsory, and we ask for the full co-operation of every parent in ... Items of uniform for boys and girls: ... (Boys do not wear tracksuit bottoms).
Salesian School Uniform Policy.

I am glad PE ended for me in May 1989.

Comments by Bob Robinson on 6th March 2017  

I remember this picture appearing in a feature on the school in Lancashire Life. Some of the girls were my classmates. The one nearest the camera eventually became Head Girl in 1963/4.

Comments by Andrea Smith on 27th December 2013  andreatwo@hotmail.co.uk 

Although my own secondary school days started almost a decade and a half later, in the early 1970's, the photo doesn't look too dissimilar to how I remember our first year PE lessons. Possibly my gym knickers weren't quite as large as some of those on the photo, but otherwise one of the tall girls with thin legs and a flat chest could be me!

Picking up on a few of Gillian's comments, our PE teacher didn't stand any messing about in her lessons and enforced the uniform rules strictly (the girl with the black plimsolls would have been in trouble at our school - they had to be white and kept clean). I also remember her having a word with a few of my classmates about asking their mums to buy them bras when she thought they needed one (I avoided that particular indignity as my mum had already had that conversation with me prior to the start of my second year - following a growth spurt over the summer holidays). Showers were compulsory, although we all tried to get away with a quick splash particularly in winter when the changing rooms were cold!

On the whole I rather enjoyed PE and was always quite active out of school too.

Comments by Gillian North on 16th December 2010  

Just came across this by accident. I was 14 in 1958, not at this school though. The amazing thing is that I could have been. We looked just like this. We did a lot of PE and then there were games on Wednesday afternoons, and, if you were in a school team, Saturdays as well. Just a thought, but I cannot remember a single overweight girl. We all looked quite fit and slim. How times have changed. Of course I realise that I might be a little selective but I cannot honestly remember weight being an issue for anyone I knew then. Now, of course it is different, sadly.

I think that our PE teacher was pretty hard on us all. She had very high standards. Before we left the changing rooms we had to stand still with our kit bags and be properly dismissed. Any messing about was dealt with harshly, a detention or horrible cross country run after school. Would that happen now?
Everything was quite regimented when you were younger but as girls developed she was very understanding and had some good advice about the 1950's version of sports bras! We were never forced to shower but she would always explain why it was such a good idea, in particular when you got through puberty.

Looking back she obviously cared about what she did. I do have fond memories of those times. We were lucky to have people of that calibre teaching us about sport and life.

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