Burnley Grammar School

Comment on 27th August from Andy to Alan.

"True to form, he came along with an insult. It didn't take long either."



You reap what you sow, and you've been on here sowing plenty of discontent against somebody and then you wonder why they don't reply with sweetness and roses back at you.

As well as Alan who you seem to have an irrational problem with, you have managed to tick off at least a dozen other named contributors if not more along the way. I've lost count it's so many now.

From what I've been reading recently you are trying mighty hard to smear the hell out of one person on here and then smear others by vague association too.

The only reason you have received a less than favourable reaction back at you lately is because of your diabolical forum behaviour to others.

What is it that is motivating you to behave like this and what is it you actually want to achieve exactly, I'm all ears and keen to know as I am beginning to think many others are.

The absolute state of this discussion shames he/they who have derailed it like this.

I don't really wish to keep this distraction going any longer than it should, it's already been far too long and pointless, but Andy looked to me in his post today to be projecting all his own traits onto others in self justification. I have no idea what purpose any of this is meant to be serving. Please stop.

Alan on 27th August 2022 at 12:19

True to form, he came along with an insult. It didn't take long either.

Andy, why the anger? It seems excessive and out of all proportion.

Your views and Alan's or anyone else's who thinks like you or him who comes here should be able to sit side by side with each other's without the need for open conflict and accusation shouldn't it?

Remember - smile and the world smiles back at you. You might as well also say, snarl and the world snarls back at you.

I'm probably one of the younger ones on here who began reading during the past few months. I was born in 1980 and my secondary school years were from 1992 to 1998. I've given you something of myself, would you be happy to tell me what time you did your secondary school or equivalent now I've told you mine. That's your choice of course it is. I'd be happy to answer any relevent questions directed at me. Infact if you've already mentioned things like this about yourself in the past on pages going back a while maybe you could point me in that direction to read it without the need to flick back through so many pages. When did you first write up here, any idea?

Another interesting thing was the name you mentioned. I have a cousin called Aiden, spelt with an E. I always thought that was the commonest spelling of that name actually. So I looked it up and found there are an amazing amount of spellings for that name infact. If I'd written that name I think I might just have automatically assumed the commonest version with the E and not the A myself, but who knows.

Here, take a look;

'The name Aiden is primarily a male name of Irish origin that means Little Fire. The most common alternate spelling of the name Aiden is Aidan. Other spellings include Ayden, Aydan, Aydin, Aedan, Aidyn, and Aadyn. Nicknames for the name Aiden include Addie, Ahd, and Denny.'

I know you haven't agreed with a few of the things I've written here in the past few weeks/months and so be it, I don't hold it against you and it doesn't make you wrong, it just means you have a different view. For so many things there is no right or wrong view, just a different one. If for instance I agree with someone on here it does not make me one of their 'followers'.

I know at times during my 90's schooldays I could have an overly assertive and opinioated personality at times, sometimes even with teachers, including my PE ones. Sometimes it worked, much of the time it didn't.

I've done my best to be reasonable.

I have held off from replying to Andy's obssesive posts about me for some time. Let me just say to him and to everyone else, I only post under my own name and I would ask the moderator of this board to confirm that every computer owner has his or her's own unique internet address, and he/she can confirm that other names mentioned from time to time by Andy in his absurd wonderings do not come from my internet address. I have in the past published my email address, but given Andy's worrying obsession with me, I will not do so again, unless the other people he whines about are prepared to do so as well.

I will say nothing more on Andy or his absurd allegations, except to say it is about time he found somebody/something else to obsess over. Give it a rest, mate.

Robbie on 26th August 2022 at 22:18

Don't you find the mistake I outlined a bit of a coincidence in a raft of posts all made in a very short time frame? I thought his questioning without disclosing any information about himself to be that of a troll.

More generally:

It's interesting that there has been silence from the three handles concerned with the spelling mistake since I pointed it out. I presume they are exercising their right to remain silent - or maybe Alan will be along with abuse on reading this, he certainly won't have anything positive to say.

Some new people have posted on interesting topics over the course of recent weeks. I note none of the people who are racing to condemn me have shown the slightest interest in engaging with new posters who are bringing a fresh perspective to some issues here and one even cited the abuse he had suffered in the past from Alan but somehow it's me that is the villain and I'm even accused of not knowing when I left school, that says more about the troubled person and their post than it does about anything else. I find that all very strange.

Anything new is now being lost in the stream of abuse directed at me but then maybe new topics are not welcome anyway as they detract from the Alan agenda, for instance Barney sounds like a well adjusted young man who is content with life but that won't do if he wasn't abused at some stage will it for the Alan agenda?

I will continue to post and call out those who are abusive towards me and others whether Alan and his mates/handles like it or not. There is some good discussion going on around here and it's being drowned out in abuse of me by people/a person who quite frankly is disturbed.

I remember Chris Wendle answering me on that other Clitheroe thread back in mid-May over the dramatic difference in the size of our feet, he said he was 14 to my 6. I just re-checked it as I remembered his name. Don't think there is any Alan connection there in fairness.

Mike on 26th August 2022 at 19:13

Others have made up their minds, wrongly. There's no point in posting the answer and equally, if people want information disclosed, they should disclose their own first.

Don't you think?

Not doing is trolling.

Robert, Barney, Hugh and William have all placed great and readable comments on here just this week worthy of the site. I think most of us coming here with a grain of common sense can sieve out the bits of irrelevant noise now being made.

We have somebody refusing to answer a politely asked question about when they went to school. Yet can waste the effort lashing away instead. Says it all really.

David P on 26th August 2022 at 13:33

I've been pointing out the level of trolling for quite some time and posted a fine example of it earlier today. Alan must be getting desperate to be posting again.

You seem to have set yourself up as a judge about posts which question others and yet all you seem to have are opinions without foundation.

Strangely, like anyone else, I will answer questions which I choose to and am under NO obligation to answer things that are asked if I don't want to.

You clearly don't want to believe my posts and are not objective so I will leave it there, there's no further point in responding to you and I'll add you to the list of people I posted earlier, you have got to be leading a very boring and unproductive life to actually choose to be so objectionable.

Make sure you wear the cap. It certainly fits.

This site is now very clearly being trolled mercilessly by some very juvenile people and the kinds of petty minded nonsense being placed here sounds far removed from genuinely mature adults wishing to engage properly. It's now quite clear that most of these deliberately antagonistic comments trying to provoke others are likely eminating from a single source isn't it.

You have got to be leading a very boring and unproductive life to actually choose to be so objectionable. Just look at some of it. The dismal reply to a teacher of forty years standing was unjust and the follow up explanation beyond purile.

I also noticed that a question was asked about when people were at school and only one person has actually answered it, whereas one of the others has not done so but found the time instead to deny they left school just 7 years ago instead.

That person is not even hiding the fact he's trolling this history discussion now and I'd appeal to the person who is moderating these comments to cease publishing these posts that are clearly being placed to disrupt the course of the discussion form serious minded individuals.

Over the summer months there has been a lot of excellent input from a wide selection of people and I think some on here do not like that fact.

Barney on 24th August 2022 at 16:38

Thank you for your long and informative post, you are an interesting character.

Yes, I was in practice three years ago and was a GP in Twickenham. As you have said you play in South West London we may well have met. I did pre-play screening for seniors working with the RFU doc, Simon Kemp, so I might have screened you if you are in a 1st team or, (I hope not) had to pronounce you fit to return after significant injury?

Chris Wendle on 25th August 2022 at 18:35

Gordon on 25th August 2022 at 15:57

Alan on 25th August 2022 at 11:31

Well, well. All making the same spelling mistake even though Aidan has spelt his name in his posts and it's the most common form. A bit of a give away isn't it? Alan is making multiple posts again to try and control what's going on here and of course the theme of all these posts is similar, the 'Alan' agenda.

Ed on 25th August 2022 at 21:56

Wrong Andy but I'm delighted you had so much time to waste looking back over four years of posts. How sad. Perhaps you belong in the group above?

Comment by: Andy on 10th December 2018 at 00:27
I’m probably a bit younger than most people on here, having graduated from a boys only high school three years ago.


Only left school in 2015 according to this.

Gordon on 25th August 2022 at 15:57

I think before you post you should learn to spell.

Chris Wendle: In my case 1979 to 1986

Anyone else like me remember being in class with 3 or 4 people out of the 30 or so who would never behave, were often disruptive and affected things for the rest of the class who wanted to work hard and do well.

I'd like to know between what years Andy, Alan & Aiden went to their respective schools to get an idea of the era they represent.

....and make a plea to all for a lot less crotchety ping-pong back and forth please.

Alan on 25th August 2022 at 11:31

Your analogy comparing the rotations of a junior doctor who will probably spend about the first five years of his career doing this and often in a small group of hospitals with a school teacher is ridiculous.

Once a consultant or GP, a doctor will be stable for decades and both those things are now achievable in early 30s.

Alan on 25th August 2022 at 11:31

We aren't talking about doctors though are we? I doubt any doctor would claim to know the ins and outs of every hospital they worked in but they would develop in their specialty.

We are talking about a school teacher here so not the same thing at all and the claim is to know about the workings of schools on a grand scale.

As ever, your point is irrelevant.

You clearly didn't take my advice but then, I didn't expect you to.

By Aiden's definition in his 9am post today it's fair to say he's openly admitting, by his own rationale, that he's a person with quite obvious "limited intelligence".

Aiden - the way the NHS is set up, a doctor has to move from hospital to hospital from one RHA to another in the course of his career. That said, would you describe a doctor who had specialised in, say, cardiology, for over 40 years as having "limited experience"?.

Perhaps if you thought before reaching for your keyboard?

Alan on 25th August 2022 at 10:21

Pot, kettle, black.

Only last evening William wrote an intelligent and thoughtful piece, he hasn't posted for a long time and at the end of it he said:

"I have offered these comments in good faith to Giles Ames. In the past I've had a fair amount of hostile comment from Alan whose school was certainly different from mine. "

And there we see it, an intelligent post from a man with much to contribute, driven away in the past by Alan's behaviour and he's at it again with Aidan this morning. Alan is the man who cannot tolerate a view different to his own view and he will bully and belittle to drive away those who don't conform evidenced yet again in his post this morning to Aidan.

I think most here now see Alan for what he is and we remember his promises to withdraw, a promise he never keeps.

Alan on 25th August 2022 at 10:21

I posted facts as opposed to bluster and rhetoric, you post nothing of the kind but expect me to agree with your point of view. How very disordered.

Perhaps if you thought before reaching for your keyboard?

Aiden: That man has 42 years of experience working in secondary schools. Most of us have 12-14 years in school, and of those only 6 or 8 of them in secondary school. Clearly he has more experience than most of us, and he sounds totally sincere to me.

Why is it that when some people disagree with another point of view, they write it off as bogus?. We all have different experiences. I had 6 years of hell - I full accept that for others they had six years of happiness. "Them's the breaks" as Boris said just a few weeks ago, but for you to dismiss a 42 year career shows a new level of contempt, worse than much I have experienced on this delightful site..

Jim on 24th August 2022 at 23:09

There are currently 4190 secondary schools in the UK. If someone who had 42 years of teaching experience taught in a different one every year throughout their career they would have taught in 1% of them by the time the retired. What sort of level of experience would you call that? I would call it limited.

Of course moving every year was highly unlikely and as soon as you reduce the moves to maybe every five years the person would have had experience of 0.2% of schools. I would call that limited too.

In addition the poster posts a rumour about an older colleague - "It went all around the staff room at the time" about a "a hang 'em flog 'em type of character" which is about a very experienced teacher coming up to retirement when he was three years in and still wet behind the ears and it's the only argument he poses to add 'credibility' to his account in an attempt to come across with some sort of authority.

I'm merely quoting available facts and the posters own words which don't take me in at all and I don't find him remotely credible. Others must make up their own minds.

Perhaps if you thought before you reached to your keyboard?

I would say Mr. Coulson was a very fair teacher, who didn't make judgements on pupils because of their backgrounds, and most teachers were like that, and used corporal punishment as a last resort. There were, unfortunately, too many teachers like Mr Rodgers who preferred to cane first and ask questions later - and you only need one or two (we had two) Rodgers to make life a misery for pupils and, clearly, their teaching colleagues as well. In a career of 42 years, you can hardly call that "limited experience", and I am sure that there were many more Mr Coulson's than Rodgers, but people like Rodgers needed to be weeded out, and so few of them ever were. In the case that Mr. Coulson mentions, it seems that the fair minded teachers won the day over Mr Rodgers, but in some schools (like mine) they were allowed to get away with their antics, because other teachers wanted a quiet life and allowed them to get away with it.


Some people on here seem to think I am suggesting that there were a majority of "Rodgers", and I have never suggested that for a moment, but as this case proves, there were men (and I suppose women) like that, who really disliked and mistrusted children and they should never have even considered working with kids, let alone been considered suitable.

Demolishing somebody in the profession for 42 years with the barb of "limited experience".

Someone actually wrote that.

Robert Coulson - Teacher 1967-2009 on 24th August 2022 at 17:10

Your experience was different to that of others and yet from you limited experience you want to dismiss other things suggesting your knowledge is superior to that of others.

Interesting level of arrogance.