Burnley Grammar School

Perhaps it's time to sasy 2Goodbye Mr Chips!"

Seeriously though, this must be the only discussion site on the internet you can roll up and post , under as many aliases as you like, without any form of validation whatsoever. No confirmation of email address, IP address, or any other technique to prevent abuse. I suspect that even teh V eification code can be bypassed bu soneont sufficiently bothered to write a bit of code.

Geoff on 14th December 2023 at 15:46

No, you’re not King Henry VIII but quite obviously PC Pleb.

Lovely that you think you know how I organise my day, it’s a great demonstration of your ignorance but then that’s something I would expect. Nothing like examining a bristling, thicker than average plod and showing him up to be a liar, ignorant and a fool because he makes assumptions with no evidence but he ‘knows’ just like you and claims ‘experience of the job’ as his rationale and he's 'seen it all before'. It wastes so much public money in the justice system. I bet you enjoyed getting a few vulnerable lads in the cells in the evening for a good kicking? I’ve seen the bruises often enough.

Language and profile? Do you not realise that the public and professional face is very different to the private one as it is in most places except Plodland where you bristle with self-importance all the time?

Thames Valley? So which case of corruption leading to dismissal were you involved in or have you not been caught yet? You will be just like those friends of yours from the Met and their WhatsApp messages last week. There’s always the stench. Or was it one of the sexual misconduct cases that you were involved in? Thames Valley had one of the highest rates of those back in 2020. The thing about plods is that they are all so self righteous and always right and as they rise up the heap, they get thicker and more entrenched.

On the remainder of the drivel you write, you’re another one who hasn’t read the whole story and jumped on the troll bandwagon along with just as ignorant others. I’d keep quiet if I were you but a plod never takes advice because he always knows best.


Barney on 14th December 2023 at 18:11

The trolls are definitely out in force! You seem to be the main target at the moment and it’s clear none of them have read your posts, then I suspect most of them can’t read very much anyway and of course they have to follow Alan Dando’s instructions.


Alan on 14th December 2023 at 18:22

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. So many trolls and posting right through the night too. All that activity must be keeping you awake dreaming up the next one line insult.

Again.

I’ve seen all this behaviour here before of Alan deciding to attack a poster who doesn’t fit his idea of what this board should be about. At the moment it’s Barney and I see also Mr Chips. No doubt it will be someone else who doesn’t fit his ideas soon. Isn’t it strange that when you go back over the 195 pages of this board you can see so much evidence of Alan on the attack and the same names joining in. A coincidence? As I’ve said before, I don’t believe in them.

I honestly wish the site owner would issue a statement, verifying that our posts are made with our unique computer IDs. I always now publish my email address as a sign of good faith, and all my posts include my name and my name only.

It would stop "doctors", "barristers" and alleged "school governors" making very unprofessional fools of themselves, by claiming I am (at last count) six other individuals.

My consolation is that all the gentleman who have posted, casting doubt about barechested boys and their masters in the depths of December al fresco. and bare buttock caning, - men who I totally agree with, by he way, will know that they are not me, and will see some pathetic and disgusting lies and absurd slurs for what they are - the product of some very disturbed minds.

I don't think I will be reading or posting on this forum again if this is the level of stupidity now counting for adult discussion. It's obvious the forum has been compromised and is no longer trustworthy.

So it's goodbye from me, and to the moderator get a grip of your site.

Alan on 14th December 2023 at 18:22

Either you still haven't seen the psychiatrist as I recommended or you have stopped taking your medication, which is it because your level of delusion is back and severe and you are posting under all your troll names in short order.

Please seek help or I really can see you being detained under the Mental Health Act again.

"Mr Chips" came on here for the first time in November seeming like a rather nice friendly chap but now seems to have had a personality change and become oddly cantankerous and abusive in exactly the same way as Original Andy. Worth the comparison that one. I seem to have been incredibly naive in believing too many of these people I think.

There is nothing more unedifying than someone who has been well and truly caught out then trying to dig ever deeper despite all the evidence staring everyone on here in the face. There is a tiny cabal here, quite possibly just one person, going under goodness knows how many names.

Do I believe Barney and the suggestion of that incredible amount of shirtless lads he alleges seeing on a cold December day, plus the teachers shirtless as well. Of course I don't. It never happened and we all know it. You should see some of the trivial things that often get put in our local rag about our local schools with parents quick on the draw to complain nowadays about the little darlings sensitivities. Most of them would never buy into their sons being sent out by the PE teacher stripped bare to the waist at this time of year.

This is now harming the perfectly genuine posts coming on here that will now be met with doubt rather sadly.

Comment by: Mr Chips on 14th December 2023 at 18:07


A dirty old man who boasts of making a boy remove his underpants in order for him to cane him, is not somebody I would want to be bosom pals with. There is a ''fool'' here, and he is you.

I think we hve had more than enough of your prurient outpourings.

Barney: Your scabrous message doesn't merit a reply. I understand your embarrassment at having been found out, so to speak, so I will make allowance for your overwrought conduct, and revolting letting off of steam. For your information I suffer insomnia, so I turn that disadvantage to gain by working part of the night checking auction websites to find stock. I have no interest in hanging round school playing fields.

Nick on 14th December 2023 at 16:11

Another one who hasn't bothered to read what I've previously written before jumping on the troll bandwagon. I've written enough about the school and me over recent weeks. If you had any manners at all, you would bother to read it before throwing your toys out of your cot.

For instance, I've said several times that I'm a governor but trolls state repeatedly that I have no connection to the school. It's just ignorance and bad manners but then they are trolls.

Those who are so interested to know more about it seem to want to go and stand on the sidelines being voyeurs. I can't think of any other reason why they would be so obsessed.

Chris G on 13th December 2023 at 09:57

Ah, merci, j'ai mal compris votre message. Cela a beaucoup plus de sens. Il est encore assez rare qu'un Français initie une conversation dans une autre langue.

Original Andy on 14th December 2023 at 07:52

It seems many of us are under attack! I really don't care, the troll factor here seems higher than most places but just as nasty. It's best to feel sorry for them that they have no other life and nothing better to do than try to discredit people sharing information and demanding to know more, as if they had a right, than people want to disclose. You don't need to look very closely to spot the links between the names and posts.

I will say, I'm relieved you're not me and that your wife recognises that, I'm quite happy as I am!


Other than that, I'll leave it for today, so many trolls, nothing worth responding too. Have your fun sad fools.

Barney - Unless I missed it somewhere you haven't even told us what kind of school this is that you have seen these 50 barechested young men performing their PE. Is it a private school or a public one, a boarding school or a comprehensive. It's just 'a school'. You also suggested that all the teachers were the same as the boys too not wearing shirts either.

At school I did my fair share of barechested gym PE quite a lot, but rarely outside and even in the school gym none of my teachers took PE barechested.

I'm not interested in your personal details but if you are unable to see why this line of questioning has taken hold regarding that comment you made then you rather should have been and not greatly offended by it.

If Original Andy is a barrister then I'm King Henry VIII.

Eight in the morning and rattling on like that when most barristers are preparing for a hard days work ahead.

I'm a retired police officer in the Thames Valley force for 34 years and I can spot a jack the lad like you a mile off. I've seen the work of lawyers and the way they talk and operate and your language doesn't fit the profile in any way but what it does remind me of is those really low grade people we used to pull in for questioning who would deflect and try to finger someone else for their own unlawful activities.

I'd also suggest that anyone spending too much time near school gates or fencing without due cause should expect to be asked a question. I remember a case of a school calling us because the same two elderly men were often to be found watching a girls PE lesson through the fence. and it was making them very uncomfortable because nobody knew who they were. A PC from the station made regular patrols in the area and eventually saw these gentlemen and having questioned them both then gave them some sound advice about the effect their behaviour was having. If they had been seen again they would have been brought to the station but that never arose.

Vic on 14th December 2023 at 12:34

But as I've said multiple times, I am not a random gentleman and am connected directly with the school and had you had the courtesy to read what I wrote instead of jumping on the trolls bandwagon you would have known that.

A teacher? A very ignorant one, I'll add you to the troll list which I have no doubt will grow futher.

As a retired school teacher if I had been approached by a random gentleman at the school fence making enquiries about the way pupils were dressed and their changing room arrangements in respect of doing the lesson without a shirt or taking a shower then my suspicions would be raised to very concerned levels about that. I would consider that a very unhealthy obsession for anyone unconnected directly to a school to be having, whether a former pupil or not. In my case I would have immediately asked who the person was and why they wanted such information and been unlikely to give anything.

Roy on 14th December 2023 at 02:34
Peter on 13th December 2023 at 20:13
Jon on 13th December 2023 at 17:42
Ian on 13th December 2023 at 15:43
Roy on 13th December 2023 at 02:40

I have said I'm retired and a school governor. Do you really think I'm going to name the school so that you and the other unsavoury characters who loiter here can turn up to watch the lads at exercise? That sort of voyeristic behaviour is both sick and offensive to many and I would hold you all guilty of wanting to participate in it. Roy in particular, like Alan posting in the middle of the night. Up surfing for porn and the like? Most people are in bed.

Shame on the lot of you or is it as simple as shame on Alan. I suspect so.

Barney on 12th December 2023 at 12:24

Interesting post, it’s true that the tables have turned on generation snowflake and now we are seeing boys aspire to be men as men of my age did once. It seems like the school has the recipe right and the masters are fully on board with it.

As you will have seen, you will be hated here for what you have posted. It doesn’t fit with the school was awful, PE was worse, everyone hated it agenda promulgated by Alan Dando and his handles. It’s amazing how they pop up with one liners claiming you can’t be telling the truth and demanding your CV, bank details, inside leg measurement and any other personal information they can think of while disclosing nothing of themselves.

Of course the purpose of a troll is to disrupt and run away back to the sewer they came from. Best to do as you have and call them out then ignore them. Apparently it’s ‘being dismissive’ a phrase often used by all of them particularly Alan Dando. I’ve lost count of the number of people I’m supposed to be now and quite frankly, they can accuse me of what they like, I’ll continue to be ‘dismissive’ if I bother to respond.

James on 12th December 2023 at 17:38

Interesting about Denmark and a case in point of why the school leaving age needs to be raised. Life long learning is the key to happiness and success. You only have to look at social comparators between those who left school as under achievers at sixteen and those who are better, often much better educated.


Mr Chips on 12th December 2023 at 20:58

Thank you for another interesting post sir, I see like Barney, you are also under attack. I’m sure you recognise the signs and similarity of the attacks just like all the others here and they come from one source.


Paul on 13th December 2023 at 12:07

Thanks for the post, you had the career I thought I wanted! All very interesting. I guess when you say conflict in the South Atlantic, you mean the Falklands? If so, you are a very brave man. I was at university when that happened and I stopped quite a few times to reflect on what might have been had I joined the navy.


Gareth on 13th December 2023 at 19:37

Exactly! It’s amazing how when the troll posts start they keep popping up. No disclosure, just demands for personal information then they crawl back in their sewer and don’t appear again until Alan Dando blows his whistle the next time. I’m probably you as well you realise, anyone who doesn’t fit with his agenda has to be the same person!

Gareth.

Many genuine people are quite happy to identify something about themselves. I think recently someone (Rob 30th Nov) a few pages back was confronted and then gave full details of their job and work location although it did not involve anything to do with education in that case. But there is the teacher on here (Nathan) who has openly told us where he works and given his full name too, So people are comfortable doing it. If you look at Bill who wrote a quite similar observation to Barney a couple of weeks ago he actually named the school (Queensbury Academy) and local roads where he saw what he was talking about and told us about his job too while he was at it. So it happens.

As far as that Barney comment is concerned I stand by what I wrote last night, I do not believe a word of it, or the questioning of the teacher either and others aren't fooled either, as I can see in the latest comments placed here.

Some people in life convince themselves of their own tall tales and one or two of them frequent these history pages from time to time and think we are falling for what they say.

Comment by: Barney on 12th December 2023 at 12:24


Just like the others, I don't believe a word of the above timed comment that was trying to be passed off as a real observation and then encounter either.

Ian on 13th December 2023 at 15:43

It never ceases to amaze me how many people post here, demanding personal information that would identify another without disclosing anything of themselves. I would have thought it was only good manners to do that if demanding information of others. Not of course that anyone is under any obligation to respond.

My grandson's primary school apparently does physical education without requiring any top to be worn in the lesson taken in the assembly hall there according to the family and that's fine but if he was going out like that, unless it was high summer and lovely outdoors, I think the family would definitely have something to say about that.

FIFTY lads at school PE going out bare chested along with a couple of shirtless teachers with them, this very week, outside in December. Yeah right.

Nice try Barney. Don't take readers on here for complete fools please.

Ian on 13th December 2023 at 15:43

Oh dear, another one wired to another planet, probably Uranus and throwing his toys out of his cot.

Those obsessed with this idea are probably as others have said all the names of, isn't it Alan Dando?

Of course you're not Barney are you, because it only happened in your imagination.

A theme has developed here recently with this kind of outlandish stuff being written and then flat refusals to add a bit of perfectly reasonable information when asked by other forum members. It leads me to think this is all penned under the same hand because the replies always end up so similarly belligerent.

Roy on 13th December 2023 at 02:40

It's a free country and you can consider it fiction if you like, it makes not one jot of difference to me what you think. I'm not going to name a school where I'm a governor in this context no matter how many toys you or anyone else posting here throws out of their cot. Now, get over yourself.

Original Andy on 12th December 2023 at 08:34

In the midst of so much else, I was interested that you wanted to join the navy - I joined at 18 and was my career until retirement - at 55.

It's true, as a sixteen year old and in line with the law, you needed parental consent to join and you still do because as has been pointed out and confirmed, the age of majority is eighteen.

These days joining at sixteen is classified as an apprenticeship and the jobs that are there are things like chefs and bandsmen which teachs some job skills but there's also a requirement to keep up general study and an expectation of some A levels at the end of it.

When I joined it was about the same with the exception of the junior officer cadets who were close to Dartmouth where I was. The junior cadets were basically in what was a pretty strict boarding school with high expectations for exams and any job related skills as well as fitness. The PTs we had also were the PTs for the school and it showed, the lads who joined my intake were a lot more fit than the rest of us. To join as an officer now you need at least A levels.

No boy would ever be sent to a combat zone no matter what the circumstances and to that end they were rarely aboard ship unless it was docked in Devenport. Soon after commission, I was in conflict in the South Atlantic and it was brutal but unlike a few, I came back and unhurt.

I had a great career and no regrets - well some when you'd been at sea in high seas for days but it all passes and the sun rises tomorrow.

Mr Chips. - my point was that when I try to observe the courtesy of doing my best to speak in their own language, they tend to reply in English.

Mr Chippy 12 December @ 2058

¨Remember the Victorians replaced the birch with the cane and one of the reasons why was that Victorians were very socially conservative, the birch did not work through trousers but the cane was very effective so the birch lost favour and the cane replaced it. You could make the cane sting sufficiently so the whole thing about bare was just to add a threat and a different dimension to the punishment.

Very occasionally I would do it to a younger boy who had done the same thing persistently like not do homework, I would issue the threat and if a further occasion occurred then I would carry it out and deliver two quite light but absolutely stinging strokes which would fade in about half an hour. He would forget that but not having to drop his trousers and underpants which would act as an equal deterrent to the cane.¨

Were I not certain that our Mr Boreham had been six feet under these many years, I would think he had retired to France.

Forgive me, but you seem to have an obsession with discipline, especially caning. Those lovingly detailed descriptions, including some very arcane pieces of knowledge,

I know I will upset your admirers on this forum, but as so many of your posts include descriptions of caning, one could be forgiven for thinking this interest is an obsession, and not a very healthy one.

It is bad enough that such punishments were allowed in the past, to salivate about it in retirement seems especially seedy. I wonder if you ever consider the psychological damage you might have done. I doubt it bothers you anyway. You enjoyed yourself at the time and you enjoy it now in retrospect.

'Usually a couple of classes are out doing PE and this morning was no exception. Two classes of lads running circuits of the field and over about fifty lads and two PE masters running with them, there wasn't a shirt between them.'




Name the school or I'll consider this fiction.

Chris G on 11th December 2023 at 21:03

You were very lucky if French people spoke to you in English, most people will say the opposite is true and there is an absolute refusal to speak English. When we first moved here it never occurred to me to speak English and of course my French is, shall we say, very good. It was probably about a year in that a small number of people working in services started to speak to me in English and when I asked why, they said they knew my French was fluent but could they practice their English with me. I was pleased to help - once a teacher and all that. I lead an English conversation group here which is just part of putting something back into the community I live in, it's not something I particularly enjoy but it's worthwhile because it helps others with their fluency.

It still happens but I also see Brits and strangely it doesn't happen to other English speakers, being looked at blankly when they speak English in French establishments and they are replied to in French, palms raised and shoulders around their ears. I just stop and laugh. With other English speakers, the French make an effort.


Original Andy on 12th December 2023 at 08:34

Those navy gaberdine coats were the norm right through until the mid 1970s and were part of the uniform. Other coats did then begin to slip in and it was never stopped and gradually the gaberdines disappeared. A good thing too, I had one too back in the day and I hated it.


Barney on 12th December 2023 at 12:24

That all sounds very positive and healthy. Well done on being a school governor, I bet that is a challenging role these days. Oh, and I'm glad your dad's strap did the job it was intended for, I'm sure it always worked!


James on 12th December 2023 at 17:38

That's a very interesting point you make about education in Denmark, I knew the education system was generous but that is world leading and I doubt matched anywhere else in the world. I'm a bit past a further degree sadly but certainly for anyone with an EU passport and access to Erasmus, it's something to seriously consider.

In answer to your question to me, four was normal but as I've said previously, the power of my arm may have varied. As a star pupil, you would certainly have felt my wrath translated into sting. The ultimate sanction, 'next time it will be on your bare bottom'. It was much more of a threat than something ever carried out indeed the only time I did it consistently was if a sixth former had been caught bullying a younger boy and that might have happened once a year if that.

Remember the Victorians replaced the birch with the cane and one of the reasons why was that Victorians were very socially conservative, the birch did not work through trousers but the cane was very effective so the birch lost favour and the cane replaced it. You could make the cane sting sufficiently so the whole thing about bare was just to add a threat and a different dimension to the punishment.

Very occasionally I would do it to a younger boy who had done the same thing persistently like not do homework, I would issue the threat and if a further occasion occurred then I would carry it out and deliver two quite light but absolutely stinging strokes which would fade in about half an hour. He would forget that but not having to drop his trousers and underpants which would act as an equal deterrent to the cane.

Well done on your bare skin running.