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Burnley Grammar School
Burnley Grammar School
Year: 1959
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Item #: 1607
There's pleny of room in the modern-styled gymnasium for muscle developing, where the boys are supervised by Mr. R. Parry, the physical education instruction.
Source: Lancashire Life Magazine, December 1959

Comment by: Yours Truly on 8th May 2025 at 13:58

Hi Joanne,

'I remember that the boys were in bare chests for PE while we wore polo style white tops which were quite thick material with dark blue shorts. Everyone was barefoot on trampoline, infact everyone was for most gym I think.'

Your girls' kit sounds identical to the girls' kit at my secondary school. We boys were allowed to wear a bit more than your male fellow pupils though, including tops, trainers and shorts even for indoor PE. Girls, never boys, often went barefoot but that was by choice.

'I found myself looking on at some of the boys performing that looked nice with bare chests and I didn't get to see many boys like that outside of PE and the less common swimming lessons. I appreciated what they looked like and often wondered if they really liked being in bare chests for PE like that. Nobody ever said they didn't and if any of them were it wasn't obvious to any of us.'

Everybody checks out the opposite se at that age. I enjoyed it when the girls would stream past us in their PE kit.'

It is my guess a good two thirds of those boys weren't happy like that and less so in front of a load of girls but they knew they had no choice. Boys are the last to voice feelings of vulnerability in front of other boys and especially in front of girls. I remember myself the only tactic is to make out it doesn't mater to you and project an air of impassivity.

'I don't remember ever having to climb a rope in a school PE lesson, but I do remember watching boys climbing them high up and marvelling at their apparent strength in the arms to hold on.'

That is just in ,line with making boys do harder sports than girls. I had little upper body strength and could never get very far up, much to my gym teacher's contempt.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 8th May 2025 at 13:25

Hi Tony,

'Graeme your own comment about your female PE teacher being someone who thought boys in your school were better off doing PE shirtless doesn't surprise me in the least. If you read back on here over the past year or two there have been a few comments from people saying they had women take them for PE as boys doing just the same and that they were the equal to any male PE teacher if not worse at times when doing so.'

Graeme, maybe those women didn't think PE was better that way, they just wanted to impose their authority and forcing the boys to strip near-naked was an infallible way of doing just that. (Of course we mustn't forget that seemingly at many or most schools white shorts only was the general rule for boys and in many cases the women teachers were only observing the rules the same way their male colleagues did.)

But you are right - many women teachers just wanted throw their weight around and enjoy a little power trip. I can think of several teachers from my own schooldays like that - and they were all of them women.

I think what the posts by women PE teachers of boys on here has revealed consistently, rather than any deliberate unkindness, is a general indifference to the feelings of the boys in their charge. I certainly remember from my own schooldays that boys consistently received less consideration than girls and that was just how it went.

I do know that women do not like to be told that they have ingrained prejudices too. Any time I have taken up with any of those women posters about the double standard they have just fallen silent.

Personally I never before heard of women teachers taking boys' PE outside of infant school, and am surprised it was even being allowed.

'My own pet hate is men, and boys, who wear football tops with their team sponsor across the back and chest as normal everyday going about clothing. Just no to that.'

You and me both. I know it sounds really snobbish but I think it looks utterly chavvy. Speaking as an ageing indie kid (indie adult?) I hate this whole labelled brand culture full stop. But that's just me.

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Comment by: James on 8th May 2025 at 12:56

Hi Allen,

Thankyou for your reply,I agree,you raised some good points.and I accept the difficulties you mentioned going through those difficult years 11-16..
Of course as I never realised the reason why I was kept in short trousers at that age,but as you say to make me look considerably younger also had the effect of making my mother look younger.Of course this led to the reason why I was not compatible with my contemporaries.

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Comment by: Alan on 8th May 2025 at 11:58

Comment by: James on 8th May 2025 at 05:44


"Hi Alan,

Yes,my mother was aware that I was teased at school for wearing short trousers and the teachers tried to stamp it,albeit to no effect........."

I suspect that your mum wanted you to LOOK younger so she could FEEL younger, like those actresses who used to take 5 years off their real age - and sometimes a bit more - that explains, - though it doesn't excuse - her behaviour. I really find it unforgivable.

I think sometimes parents (and teachers) forget what it was like to be a teenage lad, all the insecurities and facing abuse on a daily basis, about often the most trivial things. I will never be a parent, but I like to think I would have been a better one, because I have never forgotten those horrible years between 11 - 16, and I think empathy is essential, and should be the goal of parents.

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Comment by: James on 8th May 2025 at 08:16

What I meant to say was'as boys that wore short trousers were in a minority they were an easy target for girls and boys alike'.

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Comment by: James on 8th May 2025 at 05:44

Hi Alan,

Yes,my mother was aware that I was teased at school for wearing short trousers and the teachers tried to stamp it,albeit to no effect.
As boys were in a minority we were an obvious target for teasing from girls and boys alike.
As it was not my choice to wear short trousers,but my parent's insistence,I considered it unfair.

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Comment by: Tony on 8th May 2025 at 01:25

Greg, to add some more to your 3rd May comment, I think the Norway historic video archive site that Russ was referencing was NRK Filmavisen, look here, it contains mostly films from the 1940's to 1960's, I've only seen a few and they were all black and white. Like Russ said, they all play quite easily on demand and without a need to register to view.

https://tv.nrk.no/serie/filmavisen


I think the more historical archives, either school or PE related or others the better so if anyone has any good content or knows of any good sites that others may be unaware of they should share it.


Graeme your own comment about your female PE teacher being someone who thought boys in your school were better off doing PE shirtless doesn't surprise me in the least. If you read back on here over the past year or two there have been a few comments from people saying they had women take them for PE as boys doing just the same and that they were the equal to any male PE teacher if not worse at times when doing so.

I think with women PE teachers, certainly those from the past when many here were at school, they knew they could get away with taking the shirts off boys backs for PE while the men could never hope to do the same for girls and were rarely even allowed to be in sole charge of an all girls PE lesson.

Regarding the wearing of shorts, I've always been quite happy to wear shorts at any age and still do, smart classy looking ones, not sports type ones. I've done this within the past week although I'm back into long trousers for now again. It helps not to have short fat hairy legs!

Someone asked about our 14 year old schoolboy physiques. Well I liked my legs the most as it happens. They seemed almost perfectly formed! My feet seemed to turn out alright too, size 8's, so not too small but not too big, and no weird shaped bits. I was most critical of my actual body, my upper chest which I always thought could be improved upon but actually was what it should have looked like at the time. I never liked my nipples which I thought seemed larger than most boys, they are probably normal though. I would have liked slightly broader shoulders maybe. No amount of PE was going to change that. As for the personal bit seen in the shower, I'll pass on describing that on here, but to anyone looking at me as a teenage boy in school I don't think it would have given them any great surprises lets just say that.


My own pet hate is men, and boys, who wear football tops with their team sponsor across the back and chest as normal everyday going about clothing. Just no to that.

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Comment by: Joanne on 8th May 2025 at 00:42

We had trampoline in our school PE. I loved it. We shared the trampoline with boys. Everyone was expected to have a go and use it at some point. Some liked it more than others and were better at it and more confident to jump really high. I remember that the boys were in bare chests for PE while we wore polo style white tops which were quite thick material with dark blue shorts. Everyone was barefoot on trampoline, infact everyone was for most gym I think.

The main drawback with trampoline gym was only one, or sometimes two people could use it at a time. This meant many of us just watching, leaning along the sides of it. But that didn't matter because I found myself looking on at some of the boys performing that looked nice with bare chests and I didn't get to see many boys like that outside of PE and the less common swimming lessons. I appreciated what they looked like and often wondered if they really liked being in bare chests for PE like that. Nobody ever said they didn't and if any of them were it wasn't obvious to any of us.

I think some boys saw trampoline as a girly thing to do but I knew boys who were really good at it and better than girls.

I don't remember ever having to climb a rope in a school PE lesson, but I do remember watching boys climbing them high up and marvelling at their apparent strength in the arms to hold on.

In our school I thought the boys looked nice with no tops on for PE but as they were all doing it I think it must have been the way they were told to.

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Comment by: Greg2 on 8th May 2025 at 00:36

Chris 1970 on 3rd May 2025 at 16:24

When I first posted about the ‘student,’ which is what I think we were told, taking our measurements the last time, no one really understood it either, including a few gym teachers on here at that time. I suppose it was unusual, and does now sound quite intrusive I agree, but intrusion it seems, was never a consideration regarded as relevant for boys back then. Perhaps we had been told that he was coming to do this, but I can’t remember that. I wonder whether he measured the girls too? Also, as it took up most on our single gym period, I don’t think we had to do the actual gym lesson on that occasion, but can’t remember whether we still had to shower. Since you mentioned it, I am now wondering whether this person measured between our nipples when we were only 13 or whatever we were, but I do now know that today this measurement is 24.5 centimetres. But I have always been broad shouldered!


Comment by: Yours Truly on 3rd May 2025 at 22:45

You made some interesting points in your reply, with just a few I’d like to clarify. You say, ‘Both genders have an evolved instinct to “cut males down to size.”’ Were you meaning that our adult male gym teacher was the alpha male here, who then felt a need and responsibility to punish his younger male pupils for ‘violating’ their same aged female classmates’ privacy, and therefore, ‘Cut us down to size?’ We all knew immediately that he wouldn’t care that the girls had instigated this situation, and that we were therefore just doing the same, which is why we didn’t even bother to try to explain this, and anyway, he’d caught us red handed.

But what made this situation even more awkward for us boys -also something he'd never know- was that our girl classmates would then become empowered to continue to humiliate us. Perhaps then, are you meaning that this would have been something their adult female gym teacher would have condoned? Interesting.


Comment by: James on 4th May 2025 at 11:06

James, your parents insisting you continue to wear shorts well into your secondary school years is just odd. They would have understood that it wasn't unusual back then for junior school boys to wear shorts, but to then transition to wearing long trousers as soon as they’d started ‘big school.’ It was long known as a right of passage to encourage a feeling of growing up, and something your parents should have welcomed and encouraged.


Comment by: Graeme on 7th May 2025 at 05:27

The few men on here who have mentioned that women took them for school gym, something I never realised before reading on here, always seemed to go on to say that they insisted the boys do gym shirtless. I wonder why!? At least your school was sufficiently respectful to the boys to keep that woman out of your changing room and shower area.


Comment by: Hamish K on 7th May 2025 at 22:13

Since reading and contributing on here I’ve realised how unusual it was that I didn't have to do gym without a top, or bare feet, as unbelievable as it now seems. But it was just as strictly enforced that we all wear our all white kit of, t-shirts, shorts, socks, and plimsols, or in my case, Puma trainers, which I loved. Woe betide any boy who ventured onto the hallowed wooden gym floor wearing outside shoes, apart it seems from our headmaster, who I remembering walking right across the gym floor during one lesson to talk to our gym teacher!

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Comment by: Ronnie on 7th May 2025 at 23:07

On this shorts thing being talked of here, while I get that boys of secondary age certainly don't want to be forced into shorts as day to day uniform, is the problem with you Yours Truly that you are shy about showing your legs in the same way many here are about their chests, or is it just the wearing of shorts in certain circumstances at a certain age? Were you alright with shorts for normal PE for example, I've never heard anyone who found that a problem, ever, and would be very surprised to hear you say it was in your case, but if you were I'm not going to ridicule you for it.


Yes Greg it was a rather lovely well written drama wasn't it. I didn't recall it because of the bath scene, it was the story being so powerfully told, but I did recall the sudden in the face nudity all the same. It was a simple story, well told, in under an hour and was just so plainly gritty, you felt it. You felt the grief of the dad at the end as if it were real. Why can't they make drama so touching like this anymore Greg? Of it's time, I think you are correct. I believe the young actor who played the cancer sufferer is now dead in real life from cancer too.

I liked the way the naked lad greeting the wheelchair bound boy in the bath area was talking to him half hiding himself behind the door all awkwardly! Perhaps he felt it for real. Imagine being the other chap whose only non speaking walk on part was to walk past and to the bath for a couple of seconds waving his penis to camera. What a claim to fame for an actor that was!

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Comment by: Hamish K on 7th May 2025 at 22:13

I caught up with an ex-PE teacher of mine a few years ago, it was about 15 years after I'd left school in 1987 at the time. Up here in Dunfermiline where I attended Woodmill school for six years. My ex-PE teacher was still on the staff at the time.

Woodmill High made all the boys take gym in bare chests only while I was there. There was no other option available to any of us at that period in time. Generally speaking it's not as warm here in Fife like it is in all those southern counties of England. I remember speaking about the school gym and the cold feet I used to get on the hard floor, no trainers you see, just brought your feet, and how cold it could be without a top on in the winter especially but not solely, any time really. Boys were always feeling cold in our chilly echoey sounding big gym, wearing short shorts and not a great deal else how else could you feel when you and many of your class don't exactly have a lot of meat and fat on our skinny bodies.

Anyhow, my ex-gym teacher denied to me that our school gym was ever too cold, and I sniped one back telling him he would say that because he was always taking our gym class in t-shirts, full tracksuits often in navy blue, long sleeves and long bottoms too, no shorts, trainers and socks, so of course he didn't notice, while we were all stuck into the shorts alone policy of the school, or the teachers at the time. His answer back to me was that I may have a point! You bet I did, gym teachers were always having a wee laugh like this over us, over dressing themselves and under dressing all of us, and Dunfermline is not one of the warmest places in the UK. I asked if he still worked at school, and he said yes, and if it was still the same and he said yes, this was about 2003 and another whole calendar decade had passed since I left there.

We used to run in the summer in cross country with all our shirts off, but never in winter, although we ran in all weather, wrapped up against the bitterest cold, in one flimsy sweatshirt. If you came to school with a non sports vest under your school uniform shirt you had to remove it and not wear it.

One PE teacher of mine, James McBride, used to accuse the class of being half asleep if he thought we seemed low on energy or were showing signs of lethargy. If this was the case, and he was always saying it, on return to the changing room he only gave us cold or very close to cold showers that he said were designed to wake us up, so if you were in PE and heard the words lethargy or low energy you almost knew you were probably getting the cold shower dose in the showers soon, and whatever the temperature, we were forced to take them.

On some of the coldest Scottish winter afternoons of the 1980s when we were literally frozen despite any running or constant movement when I took my stuff off to shower I used to be more than a wee bit unhappy at how the cold had shrivelled up the size of my wee winkie quite dramatically compared to it's normal size I was familiar with it being, amnd wanting some warm water on it quick to restore my young male pride in front of the others, who had probably all been affected the same as me.

You didn't have any choice about showering, even if you did get a choice, which we didn't. We were always in a great deal of mess coming from the outside after football, rugby or cross country, the cold wet mud clinging to us was legendary, you could never not shower after many of these PE lessons, you had to. We were expected to be a filthy old mess. They even made us shower when the school boiler broke and it was stone cold.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 7th May 2025 at 22:02

Hi Graeme,

'Madame PE Teacher?' You make her sound like a dominatrix but I suppose that was your intention.

I note you said it was the two oldest teachers who pressed the bare chested thing. I think it was much more common for boys in the postwar years which would presumably be when those two teachers had started their careers.

What age were you when you had her? Depending on her age, and her experience, she may have felt the necessity of asserting herself over a gym full of lairy teenage boys.

Also the activities you say she made you focus on sound like a lot of gymnastic type stuff, for which a shorts-only kit is safe and practical.

I wouldn't have liked doing PE like that either and the thought of having to do it in front of a woman teacher makes me shudder. Before discovering this forum I had never heard of women teachers supervising boys' PE, much less supervising them in the changing room.It really does seem that every secondary school had its own strange idiosyncrasies. At least Madame PE Teacher was not allowed to do that.

I wouldn't have minded having a go at trampolining though but our school didn't haver one.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 7th May 2025 at 21:46

Hi Alan,

If you read Rob's post closely he says that shorts are optional for both sexes. Suggesting them is all his manager can do.. And if the postmen really disliked her comments they could turn up en masse in long trousers, that would show her.

Women find the idea of men in shorts amusing and Rob's manager is just playing on that. You're right, women have far more entitlement to these kinds of comments but this is doubtless in no small part down to the fact that women very rarely prove to be sex pests.

No doubt he's right and they don't really mind. Think of it: when was the last time you saw a delivery postman in long trousers?

I actually have seen delivery postwomen in those long regulation shorts before, though as Rob says, rarely.

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Comment by: Alan on 7th May 2025 at 11:20

Comment by: Royal Mail Rob on 7th May 2025 at 02:38


"You should work for the Royal Mail guys.

I've got a woman manager at the sorting office and she likes seeing men in shorts on the rounds and suggests it whatever age going......"

I find that appalling Rob. This is a typical example of YT's double standards. I bet if a male manager told this bissom to wear shorts she would be whining about "sexism" and misogyny in the workplace. I would tell her where she could stick her shorts. I always wear trousers and always will. That's the benefit of being self-employed - you don't have to deal with individuals like that.


On shorts in general, (James) I think it is disgusting that your mother made you wear shorts into your teenage years. Did she have no idea about the teasing, bullying and attention she was attracting towards you?. Let's face it, most kids will take the gypsies out of anything. I would have suggested, had my mum been like that, she went out and bought herself some crinolines, bloomers and button boots. It would only have been fair if she practised what she preached. If she wanted to live in the past she should have applied it equally to herself. I bet she didn't though! These days you even see little toddlers wearing long trousers.

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Comment by: James on 7th May 2025 at 09:31

Hi Yours Truly.

It must have been very gratifying to be allowed to wear long trousers and give up your shorts at seven.Certainly,when I attended primary school nearly all the boys wore short trousers,so any request to wear long trousers was immediately turned down.I waited patiently to attend my new school when I learned that boys could wear long trousers or shorts.I was shocked as you would have been and my parents were pleased that I would be allowed to wear short trousers for my new school. I was kitted out in my new uniform complete with short trousers at eleven.
When I attended my new school most boys wore long trousers with the exception of a few boys and after informing my mother she was impressed that she chose short for me to wear.

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Comment by: Graeme on 7th May 2025 at 05:27

I had 5 different P.E teachers take me for gym while at school some 35 years back. 4 of them were men from quite young to middle aged, 1 was a middle aged woman. School was not regulation shirtless P.E by any means but out of the 5 teachers in gym we had, 2 of them went with doing gym done bare chests A LOT, like 90 percent of the time, they were the oldest two teachers we had and one was the woman who took us for P.E who definitely had the attitude towards boys at school when she was given us for P.E that boys do gym in bare chests and don't need tops on. She was obsessed with trampoline, bench and mat based work and anything involving balance and we sometimes shared her with girls but it was mostly just boys. Most gym I remember was done without plimsolls or socks on. Madam P.E teacher as we sometimes called her was never allowed in our changing area, another male teacher always made sure we did the showers deed and kept tabs on us all.

I never quite got into P.E like that. I liked wearing a top.

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Comment by: Royal Mail Rob on 7th May 2025 at 02:38

You should work for the Royal Mail guys.

I've got a woman manager at the sorting office and she likes seeing men in shorts on the rounds and suggests it whatever age going. Mind you, most guys doing the delivery rounds, on foot or vehicle, do seem to like wearing shorts anyway so it's not a problem, some do so all year long.

But keep an eye out for your post ladies on the rounds, you are unlikely to see many of them wearing female shorts or tiny skirts well above the knee this summer. They are not encouraged to do so incase it leads to unwelcome attention. Yes, really! So we do have a situation where the men are openly encouraged to get our knees out in the fresh air and bare the legs while the women are not. But there's no firm rule on it.

I've had comments about the way I dress in my time, some people think posties look scruffy nowadays, but we dress for comfort on daily rounds, especially the soft shoes. When you are walking about all day you get someone sometime mention your legs if you are in shorts, I've had three or four comments over the last five years or so. I'm not a winter shorts wearer though.

I would not know what the rule is on tops on men, if it was a scorcher and I wanted to do the round without one, but what would put me off that would be sun damage out for hours, rather than embarassment, plus I don't think it would be a good look in the job even if we could and I doubt many would.

Just to mention my schooldays, although I'm only 41 we had our fair share of shirtless PE in my time and I remember sharing such sessions with girls in all the schools I was at from a young age up until close to leaving actually so I'm moderately alright with it as a gym uniform even when not by personal choice. I was taking class group showers in school all through the late 90s from eleven to sixteen, nobody attempted to keep shorts on or anything like that, we all just got naked and got on with it, whatever each of our personal thoughts about doing that were. It's certainly a memorable part of school PE lessons remembering seeing all your class with absolutely nothing on.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 6th May 2025 at 22:13

Hi James,

What you describe there is my worst nightmare. The difference being, the last time it happened to me I was seven years old. It is actually what gave me what has turned out to be a lifelong preoccupation with double standards. I can't even begin to imagine how I would have felt having to wear shorts at thirteen.

I do remember one of the women teachers, come straight from a PE lesson, taking our Maths lesson still in her short netball skirt. Don't know what the girls thought about it but we boys paid attention.

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Comment by: James on 6th May 2025 at 11:30

Hi Yours Truly,
When I wore shorts particularly at secondary school I found that they gave a distinctly childish and immature look to the boys that worm them,including myself.
This look may have appealed to some adults,but most boys wearing long trousers and girls continually mocked and teased the boys that were wearing them.

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Comment by: James on 6th May 2025 at 07:17

Steve, the difference today would be that boys would have a choice if they preferred to wear shorts.When I wore shorts and short trousers I was made to wear them continuously.My mother bought shorts for me and never purchased long trousers or jeans in case I refused to wear my shorts.When I returned from school I would change out of my school uniform shorts and change into my satin shorts.These fitted tightly and my mother used to show me off and display me in my shorts.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 6th May 2025 at 04:20

Hi James,

It's interesting you say 'she'. Women seem to have had a particular thing about boys wearing shorts. It was all women pronouncing the shorts rule at my infant school. And certainly when my teacher brought me into line my mum happily responded by putting me in shorts most of the time. I also remember, in junior school, when I thought I had escaped the tyranny of shorts, our woman teacher one day in summer surveying us in irritation and exclaiming, "All you boys should be in shorts!" She then proceeded to ask every boy in class in turn whether he owned a pair of shorts. I pointed out that mine weren't regulation school grey but she was very quick to say that didn't matter.

Several years ago I was walking through a park with a social group I used to be a part of. There was a group of young boys playing there and one of the women in the group was moved to remark, "I like to see boys in shorts." Another woman responded, "Little boys?" and they both had a good laugh. They weren't being malicious, they just regarded boys in shorts as part of the natural order of things.

I remember, in my last year at secondary school, a class conversation turning to how we had been at primary school. I remember one girl pulling an exasperated face and remarking how one particular boy had always worn short back then. The two boys she told, who had gone to different primary schools, immediately started laughing exultantly and were straight over to him to start the mockery. So both genders associated short trousers for boys with a sense of indignity.

I still think it was weird that your secondary teacher was keeping count of the boys in shorts though. Or maybe not, given my previous observation that women seem to have a thing about boys in shorts. I expect she thought it was amusing to see you in your shorts and also maybe saw it as you say as a way of cutting potentially bolshie young men down to size, by undermining your developing masculinity. I can't be much younger than you but I don't remember a single instance of boys wearing shorts in secondary school. I wonder if they would even have been allowed them? Girls too, officially, weren't allowed skirts above the knee.

Weirdly the same principle worked and works inversely for girls. Miniskirts had a resurgence in the mid-80s and I remember girls in increasingly short skirts, by their own choice, in contrast to your and my experience, and incidentally, very much against the school's rules. Girls seemed to want to get their legs out as they got older. Didn't they feel self-conscious? Didn't they feel vulnerable? They didn't seem to.

And before you expect me to whip out the double standard thing, we boys were bumming the dress rules as well, in our own ways. My school was just very inconsistent.

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Comment by: James on 5th May 2025 at 18:47

Yours Truly,It was in the late seventies when satin shorts became fashionable.
I thought it was strange that my teacher counted how many boys were wearing shorts,but she probably wanted to encourage them to wear them.I agree, my parents wanted to keep me in shorts to keep me looking young.

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Comment by: Steve on 5th May 2025 at 17:18

How times change. I understand the awkwardness of being made to wear shorts by parents however in recent years we have seen protests in schools from teenage boys wanting the right to wear shorts to school in hot weather.

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Comment by: Yours Truly on 5th May 2025 at 16:11

Hi James,

You're not kidding about adolescence being an awkward time for boys - and girls.

What era was this? Sixties? Seventies? I was unlucky enough to catch the tail end of the 1970s and there were still some archaic practices going on in schools.

Why the hell was your class teacher keeping count of the number of boys in shorts? Was he some sort of fetishist?

Maybe the adults deliberately didn't want you to grow up too soon. If I look back to the social landscape of my childhood it included football hooligans, punk rockers, skinheads, metallers, the national front and the Brixton riots. There was a great deal of hysteria in the newspapers about out-of-control young men, not all of which was spurious media hysteria, and a corresponding attitude among older adults that teenage boys needed to be put back in their boxes.

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Comment by: Greg2 on 5th May 2025 at 13:09

Comment by: Ronnie on 5th May 2025 at 01:24

I also decided to watch that film for the first time late last night, which must have been the very time you were watching it again after all those years since you remembered it. It was very much of its time, but I thought as well as being such a moving film, it did demonstrate quite clearly the difficulty some fathers have in demonstrating their love, which they do have, for their sons, no matter the reason. Very sad.

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Comment by: James on 5th May 2025 at 12:28

Yours Truly,boys generally go through an awkward time when they go through adolescence and as I was kept in short trousers at 13 this made it particularly awkward.How can anyone start to feel grown up when their parents insisted that I wore short trousers all the time? My form teacher encouraged this by counting how many of the class were still wearing shorts.

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Comment by: Ronnie on 5th May 2025 at 01:24

Comment by: Mark on 4th May 2025 at 22:33
Comment by: Matthew S on 4th May 2025 at 20:28


Thanks boys for your help. The winner is Mark! That's the one I was thinking of, spot on. Even older than I thought it was. I've enjoyed watching that again over the last hour.


Thanks Matthew, I'll also check out your suggestion too if it's around to be seen anywhere. I believe the writer of the drama Mark's found was also just 22 when he passed.

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Comment by: Mark on 4th May 2025 at 22:33

Hi Ronnie, I think I might recognise your description. It wasn't this was it? Although if it is it's older than you thought, actually from the mid eighties not the nineties. It has a cancer story, a teenager, football and halfway through a sudden communal nude scene with bath and walking about at 28 minutes.

In always find it weird when they put such gratuitous scenes in drama like this, even if it is portraying reality. But then it was the 80's. I wonder how they sell roles like this to actors and if many refuse to do them when asked.

https://youtu.be/zH4jHGgxdUs?feature=shared

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Comment by: Matthew S on 4th May 2025 at 20:28

Ronnie, this may not be the drama you were referring to, but there was an inspirational, if desperately sad, film repeated on the BBC in the 1990s called "The Terry Fox Story". It depicted a real Canadian who gave up football after having his leg amputated. Terry Fox ran a three-thousand-mile distance with an artificial limb to raise money for cancer research. The cancer returned and he died at the age of twenty-two.

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Comment by: James on 4th May 2025 at 11:06

Yours Truly,thank you for your reply,you raised some points that I hadn't considered,although I did accept that the wearing of short trousers was a form of a strict disciplinary practice.Of course growing up wearing shorts I had to accept wearing them all the time and like your parents mine were locked into this mindset'little boys wear shorts'.To be told that'I looked nice in my shorts'seemed to me to be very patronising which led to my mother by me more pairs of shorts.My parent took the decision that I should continue wearing them through my secondary school.

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